The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:7 Ep:14 – The Vegetables, Not Veggies Edition

Welcome to the only Walking Dead blog that has somebody who loves Gregory’s character, that would be me.  I am your host, Kent, and I ask the questions around here.  Then I have this awesome group of people who occasionally find merit in my questions and then they answer them.  It’s neat.  My sincerest thanks to Bob, Bitty, Teddy, Cece, Kristi, and Chris.  They all took various amounts of time to share their opinion, so please take the time to read it.

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  1.  Who is the shadowy figure with the crossbow at the end of the episode?

Bob:  Dwight! I can only hope!

Bitty:  My call is Dwight.

Teddy:  Well could be Daryl because he asked where Sasha was, but I honestly believe it’s Dwight

Cece:  Apparently it’s Dwight.

Kristi:  Dwight. I think he is going to help defeat Negan.

Chris:  It has to be Dwight.  Daryl couldn’t have made it there fast enough.  I think we’re going to see Dwight turning on Negan soon.

Kent:  OK, everybody has chosen Dwight.  There’s no reason that it can’t be Daryl, despite people online saying that time is a factor.  Well, we don’t know how long Sasha and Rosita were camped in the building.  It was long enough to go from day into the evening or night.  That is plenty of time considering that they only had an hour head start, maybe 2 at the most.  It’s probably Dwight, but I am pleading my case for it to be Daryl.  That adds a whole level of suspense of whether he will get caught.  Dwight is obviously more interesting, but screw it.

 

  1.  Rosita’s idea to distract the walkers with the fire in the car: good idea or bad idea?

Bob:  It is an okay idea.  Fire and smoke also attract the living so it was a decision lacking wisdom.  Rosita still only sees what is right in front of her, through the sunglasses of the past.  (I am glad that I wasn’t the only person wondering about the living aspect.  That was a huge red flag instantly.)

Bitty:  It worked for what they needed. Fire always distracts them until they get bored!  (What is a zombie’s attention span, and is it longer than a millennial’s?)

Teddy:  It makes sense to distract zombies with fire…tale as old as time (Song as old as rhyme?  If that wasn’t intentional, I still don’t apologize.)

Cece:  Decent enough idea, I think. What else would they have done, really?  (Not brought attention to themselves.  You asked.)

Kristi:  Decent idea. I think she could have found an easier way than taking the time to cut the fence but I guess they needed a time filler.  (TWD with a time filler?  The hell you say!  That has NEVER happened!)

Kent:  It was a bad idea, mmmkay.  They made an assumption that the vehicle didn’t have any fuel in the tank, but if it had, think about the disaster potential.  Yes, everything worked out, so people will point to that as being the right decision, but a lot of right decisions backfire and a lot of bad decisions work out.  On top of that, that seemed like a big target for them knowing how many outposts there are.  It was typical, lazy TWD writing that we have all grown to accept.  Remember, Glenn magically rotated in mid air as did the ambulance with Daryl and Carol.

 

  1.  This show had a series of important conversations.  Which one was the best for you?

Bob:  Negan’s extended conversation with Carl was supreme.  Full of variations but all controlled by Negan.  I love how his part was played.  Frankly, Negan was acting as Carl’s father more than Rick due to this episode.  (But….but Rick had that one conversation with Carl in the barn, and uhmmmm, he trusted him to shoot walkers a few times.  Sigh, you’re right.)

Bitty:  All the conversations between Rick and Hershel. Hershel was one of the first to ever talk about how people aren’t in their right state of mind in the new world. Hershel was able to see the good and the evil.  (Herschel not only did that, but to piggyback on your thought, we actually got to see Herschel get it.  When the group took down the walkers in the barn, more importantly when Shane kept shooting the walker and it kept coming, we kind of saw Herschel’s whole realization process, to the point of driving him to drink and then find more humanity.  Such a great character.  Honestly, when I re-watch the show, I look forward to all of his scenes because of his transformation, in season 2 especially.)

Teddy:  I believe the Stuff and Thangs is the most important convo outside the Corl meme.  (I don’t have much to add to that, but I will include this picture of my birthday gift from Bitty’s husband, Brian.  It’s relevant.)

Cece:  This is very true. There have been many. The main ones that have stuck out to me lately is Father Gabriel to Spencer or Negan to Carl.  (As a Gabriel fan, I find it troubling that he has become the moral compass of the show, and I fear for his safety.  Plus he’s black, and TWD history has not been kind to black dudes.)

Kent:  Man, my wording of these questions need to improve.  I was actually asking about this particular episode, BUT it appears that I may have not been as specific as I intended.  I will give my not for this week’s episode to the Simon and Gregory conversation.  I was expecting some girl to go on about Daryl and Maggie with Maggie not being mad at Daryl, and then somebody else to go on about how the Sasha and Rosita thing felt nice because it brought back fond memories of Abraham.  Instead…..well you read it.  So I guess in the spirit that everybody else took it, I will go with Tyrese and Carol, in one of the best acted moments of the show when she reveals to Tyrese that she killed what’s her tits.  My mistake was saying show and not saying episode.  I need an angry nun ringing a bell behind me and yelling “Shame” as I walk nude to Mayfield.

 

  1.  Will Gregory have the inner-testicular fortitude to meet Negan at Sanctuary on his own accord?

Bob:  I hope so because Gregory needs to see the iron. Or see someone get the iron.  I am surprised Gregory didn’t narc yet…  (Under what circumstances could you foresee Gregory getting the iron?  You have me intrigued.)

Bitty:  Oh Gregory. He’s like the little kid who wants to hang out with the bad kids on the playground but ends up being the butt of the jokes. He has no balls. He will possibly make an attempt but I hope Maggie kicks his ass before that happens.  (Why Maggie and not Jesus?  Aside from the obvious info that I have from the books, but to me, it just seems like Jesus should be the one.  Just curious about your reasoning.)

Teddy:  Gregory has the testicular fortitude of mud…he wont meet Negan. He will die like the worm he is

Cece:  Hell no. He’s a pussy.

Kristi:  I don’t think so. I’m kinda hoping he dies before he gets to do that. He is a very frustrating character.  (Some day you may be very happy.)

Kent:  I think that he is going to get so full of himself that he may decide to.  Maybe he senses the winds of change, like The Scorpions have before him, and then he a Big City Night with Negan in Sanctuary and asks him to Rock all of the rebel rousers Like A Hurricane.  Gregory will even refer to Hilltop as The Zoo.  He will then again bow and pledge his allegiance to Negan by telling him that there’s No One Like You.  Yeah, go listen to the Scorpions while reading the rest of this.  I don’t even have a real point.  I guess I say that he will because why else extend that invitation unless they are going to follow through on it? 

 

  1.  Should Sasha have tried to take the shot, wait it out, or go in guns blazing?  Yeah, none are great options, but choose one.

Bob:  Easily wait for the shot.  However, advertisers need their time slots as do other shows.  I am a little disturbed that they go to do this sniper mission and give it one attempt.  (Man, you people.  Always bringing up points about filling up time and advertisers.  But yeah, the give it one attempt thing cracked me up.  Rosita gets this great gun, then finds the one girl that she really doesn’t like, to get this mission accomplished.  They risk all sorts of things, and then see Negan for 15 seconds and are like, nahhhh.)

Bitty:  Wait it out. I’m not sure why they thought Negan would only come outside one time. Silly girls.  (I find that sexist and very offensive.  Really, they have seen him how many times, but now they think that this like Groundhog Day or some such nonsense.  Poor writing by TWD!)

Teddy:  in any kind of assassination attempt it seems retarded to go in guns blazing. That is the fastest way to insure you do not kill your target. Shot from a distance is easily the best option because it allows for an escape.  (Yeah, glad you mocked the guns blazing strategy so I didn’t have to.  Of course, I am also a big believer in “If I ain’t dyin’, I ain’t tryin’, but I use that philosophy mainly in video games.  Mainly.)

Cece:  She should have waited until there was a definite, clear time to snipe his ass.  (As I have learned in Zelda, sniping the ass rarely gets you the meat that you need to make a delicious meal.  Just saying.)

Kristi:  Wait it out. He was bound to come outside again.  (How awesome would it be if he had a body double?  Think about it!)

Kent:  I am a firm believer in taking the shot, but only if you have a 50% chance or higher of succeeding.  You see, I have been playing The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild, and I keep getting impatient when I am trying to hunt the buffalo or whatever the hell they are, and I sometimes only get them in the chest or neck and it’s not an insta kill, and then they run off.  Same principle here.  You have to get a  critical hit or else it’s not worth that bullet or arrow in my case.  So the correct answer is to wait it out.

 

  1.  Do you agree with Gregory when he said that the new people need to start doing jobs and pulling their own weight?  Also, why is Gregory so pissed at Jesus?

Bob:  I agree with ends of Gregory’s statement, that everyone should do their fair share but I really feel he was trying to do 9 of two things.  I mean, 1 of 2 things.  9th, he is trying to lamely attempt to regain control and distract from this rebellion or 2nd, he wants to keep an eye on people and hold them accountable so he can rat on them that way when they haven’t produced enough for the Saviors.  (And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you guarantee yourself winning a question.  9 Deuce references will get you everywhere on this blog.  I really did enjoy the 2nd point, as I hadn’t considered it, but it is so something Gregory would do.  I like it!)

Bitty:  Haven’t the new people already been doing jobs? Training the village how to fight! Jesus is a threat and Gregory knows this.  (While your point is valid and I agree with it, can we just take a moment to think about how much better that training montage would have been with “You’re the Best” by Joe Esposito?   I sadly knew his name without having to look it up.  Seriously, give us more montage and less Sasha and Rosita tying knots.  Also, more vegetables guy!)

 

Teddy:  Gregory is only trying to act tough. His ass doesn’t lift a finger to work himself (can you tell I hate him?) I do believe in earning your keep in the zombie apocalypse but Gregory is acting like a dog peeing on stuff trying to make it his. Gregory is just taking his small dick issues out on Jesus because all the bitches love Jesus.  (Bitches love Jesus.  This really needs to go on a shirt.  I keep saying this.  Also, really digging the dog peeing on stuff analogy.)

Cece:  I mean, of course people should all be working together. That’s how a community works, period. He seems more like he’s trying to save his own ass, than to be nice to people. He’s afraid of the main group because he knows they’re trying to fight.  (If you could be doing what Gregory is doing, or toiling away scavenging, what would you choose?  I would totally pull a Gregory.  I have also been watching a ton of South Park lately, and watching Cartman puts things in perspective so often.)

Kristi:  Yes, everyone needs to have some purpose in serving the community. I think Gregory is seeing his potential as a leader and it scares him.  (I will ask you this particular question, what more does Ezekiel do that Gregory doesn’t do?  You don’t really hear anybody complain about what Ezekiel does, he runs the community and has a tiger.  I think fans have a double standard because Ezekiel is incredibly lovable and Gregory is…..well I love him and I am probably the only one.  All I am saying is that having a full time leader, organizer, representative, isn’t the worst thing, at least from my perspective. )

Kent:  Gregory is always right, even when he supposedly gets people’s names incorrect, he’s still right.  Of course people need to not only pull their own weight, but if you want to get in good with Gregory and start to get some power, you do even more work and you suck up and then sleep with him, and then do what Andrea failed to do with the Governor.  This would work for Maggie, Sasha, Enid, Rosita, Jesus, and possibly Daryl as he has shown no heterosexual tendencies as of yet, and Carol has all but drawn him a map to her promised land.  I think he’s pissed at Jesus because he’s a bit jealous of his hair and eyes.  Gregory is a handsome man, but I mean, he can’t compete with what Jesus brings to the table.

 

  1.  Why did Eugene reject Rosita’s offer to escape?

Bob:  This also I feel can go two ways.  One option is that Eugene wants the protection from Negan and is effectively, Negan.  Alternatively, Eugene is very, very smart.  He has a master plan and this little hurrah is messing with his methods.  (I truly believe that this messed up what he’s working on.)

Bitty:  I’m so torn with this. I would love to believe that Eugene is plotting and planning to take down Negan, however I really just don’t believe that’s the case. I think Eugene rejected the escape because he’s just not ready. In a sick way he feels safer inside Negan’s walls than out. You have to pick your poison. (I struggle to find a flaw with what you said in regards to him feeling safer inside the walls than out.  Obviously, it’s significantly safer for damn near anybody.  Hell, Daryl was technically safer in there, right?  Plus, let’s not forget that in Eugene’s case, it’s amplified, in the same way that Daryl’s is because now Negan is actively trying to find Daryl with bad intentions.  Eugene just isn’t a good candidate for hiding in the way that Daryl is.  If Eugene had escaped, I think I would have been pissed at Eugene for being an idiot.)

Teddy:  Eugene just earned their trust, so him jumping ship now would fuck all that work up. Eugene did the smart thing.  (The trust thing is huge, especially early on.)

Cece:  He’s afraid. He’s so confused and doesn’t want to get in the cross fire of things. He’s like a neutral dude who just wants things to go smoothly.  (I truly don’t think that he’s confused, but he could be.  A lot of fans give him a lot of credit that he may not even deserve as being this mastermind.)

Kristi:  He has a plan. Not sure what but I feel like he may actually be trying to help. Also, if he did escape it would put everyone in danger.  (Well, I just said that above, prior to reading this.  Obviously, I agree.)

Kent:  Eugene knows what he is doing.  Right now, he is as close to untouchable as you can be with the Saviors, which isn’t saying much, but almost everybody would trade places with him at the moment, which says a lot.  Then these strumpets come and mess up his swagger, and it’s bullcrap, alright.  Eugene is living it up at the moment all things considering, and if Rick’s group takes over, Eugene can say that he was waiting to unveil his masterplan.  If he never gets rescued, well he’s got an Atari to play.  Eugene is pretty much winning the apocalypse right now.

 

  1.  Who do you respect more: Simon or Gregory?  If you struggle with this, ask yourself who you least respect and then pretend it’s opposite day.

Bob:  Simon hands down.  Simon has authority and knows it and shows it.  Simon doesn’t just talk about it, he is about it and does it.  Gregory…  reminds me of the used car salesman in “True Lies.”. He is about to urinate in his own pants.  (Man, a True Lies reference!  I was just talking about that film 2 nights ago.  I really would love more film references in these blogs.  Thank you.  Come to find out, one of Craig’s favorite lines is “Ass like a 10 year old boy”. This whole video is great.)

Bitty:  Simon. (& Simon)

 

Teddy:  Simon. Gregory isn’t worth the sweat his father made while squirting him out. Also, Simon makes me laugh.  (Simon had me laughing a couple of times this episode, and has in the past as well.  He really nails the character.)

Cece:  I respect Simon more. Yes, he’s made under Negan’s image to be a delivery boy, BUT, he’s an ass and at least he knows it. Gregory tries to be hard but he’s just a piece of shit coward.  (After reading this, I wondered if Gregory is actually self aware.  As you say, Simon is an ass, but he knows it.  Is Gregory so full of himself that he believes his bullshit, or is it all a front?  I could make an argument for both sides, which is basically the gist of these blogs anyway. It’s 60% me just making arguments for the sake of arguing.)

Kristi: I hate Gregory more.  (I’m glad you went with the hate more angle and not the respect more angle.  Good job.)

Kent:  I respect both guys so much.  While I may like Simon more, Gregory is running a community.  He has kept his community fairly safe.  Everybody loves Ezekiel, but hates Gregory, yet they have done similar things.  “But…..but Ezekiel smiles ,Kent, and Jerry is really fuckin funny.”  Uh huh, and?  I have been wondering, when Gregory does get killed, will it be the most beloved kill in the whole series?  I am going to say yes.    

 

  1.  Why did Simon/Negan leave the Hilltop that mass quantity of aspirin?

Bob:  I laughed out loud when I saw that!  Maybe someone actually thought that was almost fair from the Saviors.  It was really their way of saying, you had a doctor by our grace, and now we are taking him back.  Here is a parting gift for your trouble.  (So they basically lost on a game show, but walk away with a parting gift.  I wish Marc Summers had been on this episode.  I have to include this video because it has Marc Summers and Burt Reynolds, and Burt is so pissy as he just got divorced I believe.)

Bitty:  Because they are assholes.  (I’m not going to link to Dennis Leary’s “Asshole”……or am I?)

Teddy:  Because they’re being sarcastic saying most people’s problems would be solved by some Alieve.  (Maybe it’s the cure to the zombie epidemic?  Like you overdose on it and BAM, cured.  M Night Shamalayan would call that a tweest!)

Cece:  As a joke because they are going to have massive headaches trying to figure out how to run things now that they’ve stolen their doctor.  (As a person with chronic daily headaches, I approve of this message.)

Kent:  Because they care.  They want the hilltop to still thrive in the absence of Dr. Carson, and with that much aspirin, they should be able to barter that to other communities and get other things.  People are really undervaluing that amazing crate.  Yeah, I bet you didn’t consider the whole bartering thing, right?  Like, how many boxes would get a melon from the Kingdom?  You MUST think about these things, people!

 

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Now that we are almost done with the season, who do you find yourself missing more: Abraham or Glenn?

Bob:  Abraham but he would be dead by now anyway because of his strength and he is considered a threat.  (So, say Negan had chosen Glenn first.  Daryl obviously had his reaction.  My question is, would Abe have reacted in similar fashion and gotten captured or his head bashed in?  I don’t think Abe leaves that lineup alive because he was such a hothead.  Something to consider for the readers.)

Bitty:  Glenn. I miss his interactions with everyone- he always had that “hopeful” outlook and was a bad ass at the same time. He still carried the voice of reason.  (I know that we often see things very differently, which is fine.  It gives me things to poke fun at.  From your perspective, did you find Glenn to be fairly weaker as the series went on, from a character perspective, say during seasons 5 and 6?   I did, but I am curious about you.)

Teddy:  Neither to be honest. I miss Bob.  (Bob never got the recognition that he deserved.  His death was terribly pointless too.  Tara could have gotten eaten by the Hunters/Termites.)

Cece:  I’m not too sure. I like Glenn as a person, but I think I miss Abraham more because he would have been a more badass asset to us now.  (I want you to consider the same question that I posed to Bob, about whether Abe would have ever made it out of the lineup alive had he not been chosen initially.  Message me.)

Kristi:  Abraham. Glenn always kinda annoyed me.  (I just want to say, Glenn totally lost me when he was too much of a pussy to kill Nicholas when Nicholas and him had that big fight, I think the same time that Alexandria was considering banishing Rick.  Glenn was so highly praised, but him not killing Nicholas was a bitch move.)

Kent:  Glenn got worse with every passing season.  Seriously, rate how much you liked Glenn after each season and it is probably a gentle downward slide.  Abraham was one of the 3 funniest characters on the show, along with Eugene and Merle.  Abe is the obvious answer.  Herschel is a definite 4th by the way for funny.  Huh, no women on this funny list.  Aren’t women supposed to be really smart and really funny?  I’m confused.

 

  1.  Has Rosita grown on you this season or made you sour on her?

Bob:  When is she going to die?  (She could die in the season finale.  If not, you will have to wait for maybe the season 9 finale if my calculations are accurate, or the season 10 midseason finale.  If she makes it past this season, then it will be awhile for her comic demise, and I would like to see that play out more than a throwaway death now.  Dare I say, you may actually enjoy her story after the war if it plays out the way it does in the books.  Knowing how the show goes, they will make it way too dramatic and make all grown men openly groan, but one can hope.)

Bitty:  Ok throughout this season and last I’ve been so over Rosita!! However as you all know I’m a sucker for the backstory of the character. FINALLY, we hear a little bit about Rosita’s past. This makes her tolerable now. She’s still got to get got soon though.  (Man, you said get got, and that’s perfect.  We agree wholeheartedly on this whole backstory thing.  Backstory makes almost all TWD characters significantly more tolerable, except Tara.)

Teddy:  I want an arrow to pierce her like Abraham used to xD  (Wow, that was incredibly lewd.  That’s so something I would say, so full approval.)

Cece:  I have always hated her. Her sentiment toward Sasha at the end made me hate her like 1% less, but still.  (So were you at a full 100% prior and dropped to 99%, because that is some cereal hate.  Or were you at like a 73% and dropped to 72%?  Inquiring minds want to know.)

Kristi:  I still don’t care for her. Her little attitude is childish. She needs to go away already.  (There are times where she has a childish outlook, I concur.  I do like the fact that she is proactive.  We need proactive characters to get the ball moving, or else the show would grow too stagnant.  Of course there are times when you want to cut her face again.)

Kent:  Grown like a raging clue after seeing Alicia Silverstone in Aerosmith’s “Cryin’” video.  Yeah, some of you like that reference.  The rest of you are damn millennials.  Seriously, Rosita’s character has significantly improved this season.  She’s had a lot to work with and has been killing it.  Not always making good decisions, but everybody sure loves Rick, no matter how many bad decisions he makes.  You people are sexist and I feel bad for you.  Shame!  Also, I referenced Aerosmith because this episode was titled “The Other Side” which is the name of a great song of theirs.  Please, do not mention the Red Hot band that never shuts the hell up about California.  Thank you for reading.  Have a nice day.

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