2017 Survivor Series 9 Deuce Review

Russ and Kent watched Survivor Series, or most of it and we are here to discuss the show in graphic detail.  Still no Paige.  I also found myself missing Ellsworth.

Pre Game Deuce (Or the matches that weren’t advertised)

  1.  Elias defeated Matt Hardy

Russ:  Didn’t know this was a match, didn’t care.  I’ll take Kent’s word for this and not bother watching it.  Rating N/A  

Kent:  Fat Hardy is fat.  He has let himself go, yet again.  I am not one that can criticize, but I can point it out.  This wasn’t even a fun match and I love watching Elias.  This was a dud.  Aiden or Rusev instead of Hardy would have been much better.

Rating: 2.5 with all those points dedicated to Elias trying to carry this match the best that he could.

  1.  SamiKO defeated Breezedango

Russ:  Glad they gave Breezedango a match, but Kent is right! This should have been against a RAW team.  I can’t believe SamiKO was relegated to an impromptu match on the Kickoff Show.  I hope they get treated better over the next 5 months.  Rating:  4.  It was an adequate match, but with no story or reason for the match it did very little.  

Kent:  Why didn’t they go Gallows and Anderson vs SamiKO is beyond me.  This match was given some time, but it wasn’t all that good.  Probably the best of the kickoff show, but that doesn’t require much.  SamiKO along with Breezedango deserve better booking.

Rating: 3.3

 

The 9

  1.  .  205 Championship Match – Enzo defeated Kalisto

Russ:  Oh man, this was hot garbage.  Kalisto doesn’t do it for me.  He had one good match against Baron.  The only reason that was good, I think, was because Baron could ragdoll him a bit.  Well Enzo can’t do that because they are the same size.  Also, with all the interbrand will they, won’t they put us #undersiege shit going on this month this match got lost in the shuffle.  Please, PLEASE, have Enzo move on from Kalisto.  Rating: 2.2

Kent:  I tried to try to pay attention, but i just couldn’t.  I honestly wasn’t into this match at all.  I don’t enjoy Kalisto as a singles guy.  Bring back Lucha Dragons, PLEASE.  Enzo needs a better opponent with some technical skills.

Rating: 2.7

  1.   The Shield defeated New Day

Russ:  Alright let’s get this out of the way.  The end result was obvious.  If you thought The New Day had a chance of winning this then you don’t know WWE.  Overall this was a fun match.  The New Day played the role of Heel, but never really utilized a lot of heel tactics.  It was typical tag match in the beginning.  The second half of the match really picked up the pace and a lot of fun sequences occurred.  I love how the rules go out the door when the WWE needs them to.  At least commentary did their best to try and cover this up.  Loved some of the innovative finishers they did at the end.  Overall I was satisfied with this opener.  Rating:  5.8   On a side note I like how they are keeping score of the wins for the night.  

Kent:  The refereeing sucked so much in this match, and this would be a common theme throughout the night, unfortunately.  The ref allowed both team, but especially the Shield too much time with 2 or 3 guys in the ring at the same time.  Grow a pair ref and make them abide you!  When the fuck did Seth get so lazy or bland in the ring?  He was just good as a tag team with Dean, but if you notice, Dean has been the workhorse, but Seth used to be.  It’s odd and I don’t like it.  Seth is a great workhorse, but I don’t know if he ever fully came back from injury.  It’s weird and sad.  It’s sad to see how Dean’s arms have no definition and the shirt exemplifies that big time.  This was a good match, and it was fun.  It kept me engaged all match, but not always for positive things. Still, I can say that this may be rewatchable.

Rating: 5.1 Just to be safe as I could be coerced into rewatching, or I may never watch it again.  Everybody tried at least.

  1.  Women’s Traditional Survivor Series Match:: Team RAW (Asuka, Sasha, Alicia, Nia, & Bayley) defeated Team Smackdown (Natty, Tamina, Carmella, Naomi, & Becky)

Russ:  Ok, Let me get this out of the way again.  The end result was obvious.  I wrote this before the match even started so let’s see how right I am with how this will end.  I’m saying Asuka and Foxy team Raw.  Well I was wrong about Foxy, though I wonder if her pin was a mistake.  The way they eliminated Becky was horrible.  She deserves a lot better.  The battle of the Hosses was underwhelming.  Tamina needs to learn how to wrestle.  I guess the count out was one of the only ways to get Nia out without making her look weak.  This match was mediocre at best.  At least it wasn’t unwatchable.  Rating: 4.1

Kent:  Poor Becky Lynch and Bayley to a lesser extent.  This match was insulting to both of them.  I also was not fond of Natty’s ring gear, but am loving Carmella’s.  Alicia looked great tonight, but I think the ref fucked up.  That was not a 3 count and believe me when I was I immediately text Keri, Eric, and Twan about how it wasn’t a 3.  Poor reffing again.  Nia tried, but this wasn’t a very good outing for her, while Tamina shined some.  Naomi was an afterthought as was Sasha to a certain degree.  This was all about showcasing Asuka and having the Hoss Showdown.  The effort was there, but wasn’t a good match.  I was paying close attention, so my rating may be higher than it deserves.

Rating: 4.3 Because it kept me engaged.

  1.  Baron Corbin defeated The Miz

Russ:  This was a well told story in the ring, but it definitely wasn’t the match of the night.  Both guys deserve a lot of credit.  The lead up to this match was mostly done on Twitter.  I don’t pay attention to Twitter so I missed a lot of this feuds build.  Still these two have a decent chemistry in the ring.  The only real negative I have about this match was the fact that The Miz worked on Baron’s leg and Baron sold it.  For about 1 minute.  It really should have played more into the match.  Ending sequence was fast and fun.  Rating: 5.4

Kent:  Yup, I fucking nailed it.  This was definitely the match of the night and both guys looked like stars doing it.  Both guys played to their strengths.  I am so proud of how far Baron has come, and he sold this match so much better than the supposedly superior Finn Balor.  The Miz deserves another run as the World champ next year in my opinion.  Everything about this worked, including Baron to tell a fan to shut up and sit down.  This was a fine example of 2 guys figuring their shit out and putting together a well executed match with good psychology and a logical progression.  

Rating: 6.8 I really enjoyed this one as you can tell.

  1.  The Uso’s defeated Sheasaro    

Russ:   This was a really good match.  I didn’t expect anything less.  These two teams continue to prove why they are the two best tag teams in the WWE.  The back and forth in this was great.  The spots were well executed.  Loved the last tag between Jimmy and Jay. It was a thing of beauty.  The right team won this I think.  Sheasaro didn’t need to win they just had to look good.  This match definitely delivered that.  Rating: 6.3

Kent:  This was the second best match of the night, and I nailed that too.  No, my arm doesn’t get sore patting myself on the back.  They did what they were supposed to but I can’t say that it was better done than Miz and Baron.  It was close.  Some stuff looked a little sloppy and Cesaro looked like he hurt his head.  I felt that he and possibly Sheamus were hampered by pain at various points in the match which hurt the pace a bit.  It was still very good, but it could have been at least a point better, without a doubt.

Rating: 6.6 I liked it, but I could have loved it and so I can’t rate it higher.

  1.  Female Flair defeated Alexa Bliss

Russ:  I’m sure this match was adequate.  I wouldn’t know because while I had it on I was most definitely playing video games.  So I would look up every once in awhile.  What I saw was standard stuff.  There were a few moments of entertainment, this wasn’t a total trainwreck. I mean Little Miss Bliss is always great, but the way she was treated for the past month as an afterthought made this pretty easy to predict.  I can’t wait to see what Kent has to say!  You know he loves Charlotte.  Rating:  3.8

Kent: This was on my laptop while The Walking Dead was on.  I made the right decision.  I can’t stand a Charlotte match and she won.  Fuck this.

Rating: N/A  

  1.  Brock Lesnar defeated AJ Styles

Russ:  Wow, this match is already on at 9:30!  The 5 man Survivor Series Match must be close to an hour because I don’t think Lesnar can go for more than 15 minutes.  AJ is a good ragdoll for Brock. AJ sold Brocks offense like a champ!  On a down note I couldn’t tell if this match was sloppy or just too many high impact moves and a few of them were just off. Still this was fun!  They set up the Calf Crusher beautifully by attacking Brock’s knee often.  Brock getting out of the Calf Crusher was also a thing of beauty.  I hate that Brock has turned into a one-note wrestler, but that’s the way he wants to go out.  The match went 17 minutes so I was close to being right about the 15.  Jinder Mahal is in rarified air.  I think he is the only human being who can’t put a good match together with AJ.  This was fast paced and fun.  Rating: 6.2  I think this would have been match of the night, but it was a bit sloppy at points.  

Kent:  This match was way better than I expected, and I accept that I was sorely mistaken on this.  I am fearing for Brock Lesnar’s well being.  He is red and purple so early in the match.  He was not in great shape, yet again.  You can not be ripped and have great cardio like Joe and KO.  Brock was carried.  Brock did his role, but AJ carried it.  There were some sloppy moments, and I believe that Brock legit hurt his leg, probably his knee.  He swore a few times and his knee looked swollen and he was visibly in some discomfort.  AJ is still the best in the world, and I think that will be the case for another 2 years at the very least.

Rating: 5.9  It was fun and kept my attention.  It told an okay story, but Brock needs to do something about his long term health.

  1.  Team RAW (Braun Strowman, HHH< Kurt, Finn, & Joe) defeated Team Smackdown (Shane, Randy, Cena, Shinsuke & Bobby)

Russ:  This seemed like a slam dunk win for Smackdown, but that was before they actually kept track for us all night. Makes me think RAW might actually pull this off.  I guess we will see.   The entrances alone took 20 minutes, because everyone had to get their own entrance.  I am shocked!  Shocked! Well not that shocked that Shinsuke, Bobby,  and Joe, were the first to be eliminated, but this isn’t a match about showcasing the young up and comers.  No, this is a match to showcase those who really need it, you know those part-timers and old guys.  Cena getting eliminated was an actual shock.  SamiKO’s interference was very welcome for 5 seconds until they were taken out like bitches *sigh*.  Kent called Shane being the last man standing for team Smackdown and that was a complete ego stroking.  HHH attacking Angle was odd, but we saw it coming to set up their feud for Mania.  Braun at the end was fantastic.  They made him look like a million bucks and he went over huge with the fans.  Overall, this was decent. It wasn’t anything special, but it did help elevate Braun a bit.   Too bad it won’t translate to belt wins or anything because gotta have Brock look strong for his feeding to Roman.  YEA!  Rating: 6   

Kent:  Yup, wrong again.  I definitely had a fun first 5 or so minutes.  Some of the spots worked.  I have to admit, the part timers ruined this for me. You have 4 part timers and Randy and it felt like WCW in the mid to late 90’s with all of their old asses.   Not much clicked for me as it progressed.  Shane needs to be done.  I am done with Shane, and I hate to admit it, but Kurt is starting to be iffy for me.  HHH is all psychology and body sculpting.  I don’t even know why Cena was there.  Smackdown had all the teamwork, yet were made to look like total bitches.  This match is what’s wrong with WWE.  Yes, it’s great that Braun walked out as the #1 guy, but when it counts, he’s not going to get the Brock rub at Mania, so who gives a shit?  I wanted to love this, and I didn’t really enjoy it.  Yes, it totally kept my attention and kept me guessing, but this match did more harm than good in the grand scheme of things.

Rating: 5.8

  1.  What was the most logical booking of the night and most illogical?

Russ:  I think the most logical booking was having Baron go over The Miz.  Baron needed a rub and The Miz delivered it to him in spades.  I also want to say the way they treated Braun was smart.  I just know it won’t lead to anything great for him.  The most illogical had to be the traditional 5 on 5’s.  For the women I just don’t like how they treated Becky in the match.  As for the guys, I think it is obvious but allow me to explain.  I don’t understand why they had to showcase the old guys and the part-timers.  They could have had all the same stuff happen except have it happen in the beginning of the match and then let Joe, Finn, Shinsuke, Bobby, Braun show us what they can do in the end.  I don’t even know why Cena was apart of this.  Yes I know his name alone is a draw, but he added nothing to this match.    

Kent:  Logical was Baron, Uso’s, and Asuka all winning.  Illogical, the referee just allowing anything and everything to happen.  More importantly, the women’s 5 on 5 really bothered me with how Becky and Bayley were treated.

Bonus Deuce Deuce

  1. Match of the night:

Russ:  Going to have to give it the tag match.  I had the most fun just watching that one so I’ll give it to that.  

Kent:  Baron vs Miz, no doubt.

  1.  Worst Match of the night

Russ:  Women’s Champions match.  It was ok, but overall, the wrong person won and it was the match I paid the least amount of attention to.  

Kent:  Charlotte’s match for obvious reasons.  Fat Hardy vs Elias also deserves recognition but nobody knew about it and therefore, expectations were incredibly low.

Final Thoughts

Russ: The PPV wasn’t bad.  I actually paid attention to most of the matches and enjoyed them.  Nothing was spectacular, but the matches were decent throughout the night. Rating: 5.8

Kent:  4 above average matches is a success in my eyes.  See, I’m not always negative.

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2017 Survivor Series 9 Double Deuce Preview

Keri and Kent break down every match on the card for WWE’s Survivor Series.  We are both hoping to try to enjoy this.  The go home shows were not very good, but the build ups were decent, so we are torn.

The 9 – This is going by the card as of 4:15PM on Friday

  1.  Kickoff Show – 205 Championship match – Enzo Amore vs Kalisto

Keri:  I’m not invested in this match at all nor do I care about it happening. With that said though, Enzo is putting some eyeballs (not mine) on the 205 product and that hasn’t been done in over a year. So that’s good. I predict this match to be decent but nothing special.

Prediction: Enzo retains because the E wouldn’t bite the hand that feeds the division, would they?

Kent:  I am really pulling for Enzo.  For better or worse, he is the shining light in that division that is keeping it relevant and giving it shine on RAW>  You may hate that, but it’s the truth.  I also hope to see Drew cut a promo.  

Prediction: Enzo via Drew’s interference or distraction like the ref throwing Drew out

  1.  Women’s Champions Clash – Alexa Bliss vs Ric’s Untalented Daughter

Keri:  I’m going get booed by Kent for saying this but I like Charlotte and I’m genuinely happy that she won on Tuesday. With that said, this is the better matchup. No offense to Natty but she is not a draw nor was she strong enough to spar with Alexa. Did you see the Instagram or Twitter video promos between these two? They were very one sided and showed Natty’s shortcomings. Natty, while decent in the ring is just not that strong overall. This is why the change was made and Charlotte is in the match. That and Alexa said it perfectly after the change was made. She has beaten three out of the four horsewomen and its Charlotte’s turn now. The storyline fits and the match should be good as well.

Prediction: Alexa puts the final Horsewoman out to pasture.

Kent:  If I had to bet my life on this, and this is how serious I am, I would still pick Alexa.  I would rather die in that scenario than to live knowing that I owed my life to the lesser Flair.  I cannot stand this girl and how she is gifted so much is utterly absurd, and it’s cause Ric calls in favors.  That’s all this bull shit is.  The only realistic chance Alexa has is if it’s revealed that Shawn Michaels is her real life daddy.  Still, I would rather be dead wrong and stand firm on my morales.

Prediction: Alexa after Paige costs Charlotte the match

As an aside, I just finished watching the Ric Flair 30 for 30 on ESPN.  It was really well done and it makes it really hard for me to hate on Charlotte.  Come Sunday, I feel that I will be back to normal.

  1.  Terribly Predictable Match – Shield vs New Day

Keri:  I’m going to keep this short because we all know who’s winning this match. This has the potential of being match of the night provided the teams are given time to work. But alas….  

Prediction: The Shield wins because you will cheer Roman and like it.

Kent:  I hate to say this because I know that this match should be good, but I also know that I am going to hate the ending, so what is the point?  I am sick of the Shield.  I don’t even know how I would feel if they were heels  That’s where I am at.  The whole will they or won’t they touch butts, I mean fists, really soured me on this, and that sucks, it really sucks, but it’s the truth.  It was a nauseating story arc.  This one is a no brainer, and New Day has been cast as the villains in this. My hope is that they revert a bit to their heel ways once they realize the crowd is only 20% at most, behind them.

Prediction: The Shield, and fuck anybody rooting for the Shield.  You’re idiots.

  1.  Women’s 5 on 5 – Alicia, Asuka, Nia, Sasha, & Bayley vs Becky, Camella, Naomi, Tamina, & ? – Predict who the question mark is  (Update, the 5th member is Natty, but Keri and I already told you this a day early.)

Keri:  The only thing I will say on this match is Asuka better come out on top somehow. As I said on this week’s blog, there is no other option. If any other option occurs, then WWE proves what I’ve been saying for a few weeks now and why I’m no longer interested in watching its product. As for our mystery person. I’ve been missing Paige so I would like to see her. But at the end of the day, this should and will be Natty’s spot.

Prediction: RAW women win and Asuka continues to look unbeatable

Kent:  The question mark is incredibly easy actually.  That will be Natalya with a 5% chance of a surprise being Lana.  It’s not going to be Paige.  Paige would spice up that division, but even then, Natty deserves to have a match, so I think the bland answer is the right one here.  Paige needs to come to Smackdown and kill the untalented one and then work a great program with Becky.  That is something my clue would like to get behind.  Alllllright.  Oh yeah, the match, Asuka is winning.  That’s another reason to not bring back Paige.  That’s why I think people are idiots for predicting Paige.  Are they really going to bring her back to instantly job.  They would NEVER do that.  Hang on, I just got a phone call from Bray Wyatt.  Ohhhh, man, now I am worried it may be Paige.  Yikes.

Prediction: Asuka and Alicia win and Natty is the 5th member of Smackdown and I am also predicting that Bayley is taken out backstage by a mystery assailant.

  1.  1 of 2 good matches – The Miz vs Baron Corbin

Keri:  Lately, Twitter feuds have been knocking it out of the park. There is the one that I’m extremely interested in (and the reason I’m getting up at 3 am on January 4th ) and this one. I will talk this one though. This one was well done and got me excited about the match. This also has the potential of being a match of the night contender again provided both guys get the time to put in the work (something the E doesn’t like to do).

And my prediction is: Axel and Dallas get thrown around by Corbin and Corbin wins. See Kent there will be lackey tossing in this PPV after all.

Kent:  This has gotten no hype, no shine.  Baron and Miz had to do all the hype on Twitter, and kudos to them for still having me hooked.  I think the Miz juggled everything incredibly well and Baron had that nice feud with Sin Cara.  I really enjoyed how WWE didn’t WWE the hell out of this.  That leads me to believe that will be a solid match.  It’s also listed as the 7th most important match on the card, so there is that.  Still, 12 minutes would be perfect here.  I think Baron needs it more than Miz, but whiny Baron and cocky Miz are the best of both of their worlds.  That’s why I think WWE will WWE this outcome.

Prediction: Baron and I won’t be upset.

  1.  The other good match – Sheasaro vs The Uso’s

Keri:  So, this week ROH put on their Facebook page a throwback match between the Young Bucks and the Briscoes. It was a two out of three falls match and it was amazing to watch. You are probably asking why I’m bring this up and not talking about this match. Because it was one of the best damn tag team matches I ever watched. Now, here is why it relates to this match. This match has two of the best tag teams that WWE currently has on their roster and both can go.  I predict a good 20 minute match (provided the E doesn’t screw that up)  and this match will rival what I just watched. This will be match of the night (no probably about it) and will steal the show. This is honestly the one I’m looking forward to the most.

Prediction: The Usos

Kent:  I think this match may be great, but mentally, I have a roadblock.  The Uso’s wouldn’t attack Roman in the retaliation and that made them look like lil bitches.  On top of that, Sheasaro is only in this because Shield Reunion part 2 had to happen, so they needed New Day, a team that lost to the Uso’s, to get them into this match.  Nobody, and I mean nobody at WWE is thinking along these lines, and if they did, they would be fired.  But this is deeper psychology.  The thing that you have to understand is that WWE is trying to build up The Uso’s as the best tag team in WWE and Sheasaro losing will be meaningless.  That’s how you know who to back.  With that being said, it would be interesting if Smackdown lost all of their matches prior to the men’s 5 on 5 as the main event.  Damnit, i talked myself into it.

Prediction: Sheasaro

  1.  Men’s 5 on 5 – Kurt, HHH, Braun, Joe, & Finn vs Shane, Randy, Shinsuke, Bobby, & Cena

Keri:  This match is the sole reason why I no longer watch WWE. It has everything that I hate about the promotion right now. Part timers, the same old storylines, and lots of ego stroking. There is nothing going on in this match that interests me. Except maybe the potential of 5 minute mini-matches between Finn and Nakamura, Finn and Bobby, Bobby and Joe, or Joe and Nakamura. Honestly, there is the talent that should be put over in this match. Braun should also get a chance to shine in this match and he probably will to an extent. But at the end of the day, this is going to be the Triple H, Cena, Kurt, and Shane show. And that is why I no longer care about the product.

Prediction: Team Smackdown because there has to be a reason for Angle vs Triple H at Mania.

Kent:  OK, this is my theory that I trademarked Wednesday on the podcast.  Cena and Braun are going to eliminate each other because that gets both of the unstoppable guys removed from the match, and sets up a feud for when Cena turns his back on Smackdown again.  What a dick he is!!!  Kurt and HHH seem destined to screw each other over.  I think that leaves us with Finn and Joe vs the other 4.  This would make sense given the writing of the past 2 weeks.  It’s subtle, but it is actually well written.  I think that they mount a comeback and take out Randy, Shinsuke, and Bobby, leaving the spotlight and that young up and comer, Shane…..what’s his last name?  Eh, it can’t be THAT important.  I can see Shinsuke going for a big kick and taking out Randy for instance, and the confusion, Shin also eats a pin or maybe Randy retaliates with and RKO.  You can see that playing out where Randy gets pinned and Shin tells him that he’s sorry and they shake hands but Randy doesn’t let go and then RKO out of nowhere, so Randy can go back to what he is best at .  That’s how you eliminate them.  Bobby could really use the rub here, buT I don’t think they will give it to him.  This seems destined for Shane to be sole survivor and bragging until Daniel gives him the business.

Prediction: Shane is sole survivor

  1.  Brock Lesnar vs AJ Styles

Keri:  I’m a firm believer that AJ Styles can get a good match out of anyone including Brock Lesnar. But the Brock Lesnar I’m referring to in this scenario is the Brock Lesnar of two years ago (think the Royal Rumble match with Cena and Rollins). The Brock Lesnar that we get today is the one that is there for the payday and nothing else. He hasn’t put on a good match in ages and just doesn’t have the endurance or desire to put on an AJ Styles caliber match. He will hit a few F5s and a few suplexses and in the end will win the match. Why you ask? Because of the money that WWE is paying him to be there. Brock is not the wrestler he once was and I don’t believe has the desire to be again. He knows he has the WWE wrapped around his finger and for that the rest of the talent has to suffer. With that said, I don’t expect this match to be anything special and I hate saying that about any AJ match.

Prediction: Brock will win because Vince needs to justify the big hit to his bank account.

Kent:  I know that a lot of you are talking yourselves into this match saying that AJ can’t have a bad match, unless Jinder is there.  You think, Brock can still go, and he may pull out moves since he’s working with the best in the business.  I get it, you are stupid.  It happens.  Brock ain’t pulling out 7 moves that are brawling tactics, suplexes, takedowns, and F5’s.  They have both wrestled in Japan, so expect multiple near falls.  Jinder will cost AJ this match.  That is inevitable and guaranteed and after gloating about costing AJ, he will get taken to Suplex City for his troubles and maybe Brock and AJ shake hands after.  Also, I think it is irresponsible of us to always blame Brock for his matches.  I feel that they are booked a certain way, and he likes that it doesn’t tear his body up, and if the boss is happy and his body is happy,

Prediction: Brrrrroccckk Lessssnar

  1.  Which match will main event?

Keri:  Men’s 5 on 5.

Kent:  Men’s 5 on 5 just because my theory of Smackdown losing every match until the main event to help inflate Shane’s ego seems like such a good way to keep the Daniel vs Shane feud going.

Bonus Deuce Deuce

  1. Which match are you most excited for?

Keri:  Usos vs Sheasaro.

Kent:  A trainwreck is still a trainwreck.  Men’s 5 on 5 will be a trainwreck and I will be sitting here with my popcorn.  

  1.  What do you think will be the worst of the 8 listed matches?

 Keri:  Both women’s matches.

Kent:  Women’s singles match.  The chemistry will not be very good.  Alexa needs time to get comfortable with her opponents.  That’s something that she is working on, but it is apparent anytime she faces somebody unfamiliar, or hasn’t wrestled against in a while.  Also, because of the dumbass.

  1.  Will Sami and KO do anything during Survivor Series?

Keri:  Nope. They are going to be in the back with the other deserving talent. You know Rusev, Gallows and Anderson, etc. You know the people that should be on the card..

Kent:  I would enjoy if they beat up Shane after the match, but I am in agreeance with Keri on the Nope and Rusev.

  1.  Pick another match to be on the pre-show.

Keri:  I have a wild idea. SamiKO vs Gallows and Anderson vs Rusev Day. That way we get those who should be on the card on the card even if it is the preshow. Sigh. Why am I going to watch this crap again?

Kent:  Cruiserweight 5 on 5 or G&A, Ginger Rhynos, & Elias vs Breezeango, The Ascension, & Rusev

Final Thoughts:

Keri:  This is going to be a trainwreck of a show but hopefully will have its good points. Maybe just maybe the WWE will win me back a little with some of the matches on this card. I doubt it but let’s be optimistic for once, shall we?

Kent:  I shit all over this show on the podcast, but the reality is, this should have some fun moments.  I love Survivor Series, and I am really going to try to take my smark glasses off and just enjoy the show and not be bitter for most of 4 hours until I hear a certain talentless hack’s music.  On the plus side, remember how awesome this team was?

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NXT Takeover Houston 2017 Review

I am back to give you the expert opinion on everything that went down at NXT’s Takeover Houston 2017.  If you are looking for the typical internet wrestling fan’s perspective, pull your pants down and go fuck yourself.  Just because somebody is the flavor of the week doesn’t necessarily mean that I am going to latch on to them.  I don’t have a neckbeard, and I don’t apologize, mainly because I can’t grow hair.

Lars Sullivan defeated Kassius Ohno

Did this match go exactly as you imagined it would?  Good, you’ve been paying attention then because this is what anybody who knows wrestling would predict.  It was fun and I did suggest that it would be.  Kassius knows how to perform, and Lars is still learning, but it’s fun to watch him develop.  I was also right in suggesting that this would be the worst match of the night.  It happens, but I had fun.

Rating 3.2

Aleister Black defeated Velveteen Dream

This may have been the most fun and entertaining match of the night.  I had so much fun.  I loved all of the psychology that they deployed in this match that was built from the feud itself.  It was logical.  It’s what pro wrestling should be.  I loved that Aleister went for wrestling early rather than his usual strikes.  The theme of this match was in the sequences rather than being spot monkeys, which we will get to later in the night.  This is the type of match that I yearn for as a fan and I absolutely want to see this feud continue.  Aleister on the mic after the match was  a nice touch.  I’m going to say that this match will be better than any match on Survivor Series.

Rating 7.4

NXT Women’s Fatal 4 Way Championship match

Ember Moon defeated Nikki Cross,  Peyton Royce, and Kairi Sain

This match let me down.  I have many reasons.  First, let’s talk about the positives.  Ember Moon is a star and looked the part.  She is the most deserving of the 4 women in my opinion based on what we have seen.  Peyton looked great so I enjoyed that.  When Nikki got her brief blip of offense, she looked like the girl that I love.  I liked Regal and Asuka giving her the belt.  Now for the negatives.  Peyton did that great submission but could clearly see Ember coming, yet never relinquished the hold.  That made zero sense.  Nikki barely got any offense in and was there to bump.  The stupidity of people just staring and waiting for somebody to do a suicide dive onto them.  You gotta pretend like you’re fighting or busy, otherwise it just looks fucking terrible, like it did.  But most of all, and I cannot stress this enough, Kairi Sane is not very good.  She is the female Finn Balor.  She has a gimmick that attracts the masses and has a bit of charisma and is attractive.  Seriously, that describes Finn as well.  Neither are great in ring but are hyped as great.  Why does the IWC instantly give everybody from Japan a pass?  Being in Japanese wrestling isn’t a guarantee that you are good in the ring.  Her gimmick is tasteless in my opinion, and fucking stupid, gag worthy.  Her only redeemable quality is her looks, at least from what I’ve seen so far.  Her repeated strikes look fucking terrible and her finisher is a top rope elbow.  Why are the announcers acting like it is breathtaking?  Seriously, why is that move considered spectacular?  Anybody?  Exactly.  Fucking IWC has to ruin shit.  I talked with Eric earlier Saturday about her and he gave me an apt explanation of why she does nothing for me.  He’s not wrong in reasons I would dislike her.  He did fail to mention how bad she is in ring though and that’s the biggest sin.  Hopefully she does porn down the road because that will most likely be the only time I give a fuck.

Rating: 3.5 Mainly for Ember being awesome, but the finish was also dumb as hell, just 2 women standing there waiting.  How fucking silly.

NXT Men’s Championship Match

Andrade Cien Almas defeated Drew McIntyre and won the belt

Well, in the preview I said that Andrade was here to get Drew over even more.  Boy was I wrong in that regard.  On the plus side, for over a year, I have been singing the praises of Andrade, and anybody who has read my NXT stuff knows that I have long admired his work and hoped that he would get moved up.  Well, this is even better!  Both guys are main roster ready and I fully expect Drew on the main roster for the Royal Rumble.  I would love to see him and Baron have a match.  This match was way better than I thought it would be and I had hopes of this being match of the night.  I really thought that this was well done, and that fucking spike DDT finish was scary looking and awesome.  I know that the IWC losers of the world will try to hype up how good War Games was.  No, this is a Match of the Year candidate right here.  The psychology, the moves, the drama, it all worked and both guys worked their asses off.  I will be rewatching this match again this week.

Rating: 8.0

War Games

Undisputed ERA defeated Sanity and Roddy & Authors of Pain

Well, if you like a match that is nothing but going spot to spot to spot and hitting the most cliche shit, well here you go.  How many different variations do we need of the Tower of Doom in one night?  The women had already done it.  Let’s discuss the positives.  Killian Dame hitting the Van Terminator, I will not call it bullshit coast to coast, was really great.  Unfortunately, the cameraman painfully showed the O’Reilly I think it was, just looking and talking to the ref as the move got set up.  Terrible camerawork WWE!  Alexander Wolfe is a guy that I am very high on. He can do some great shit and I would love to see him and Luke someday.  The super German suplex through 2 tables cut his head badly enough to take him out of the match for 5 or so minutes.  I felt bad for him.  The AoP continue to really impress me.  I think that they are going to be huge stars for years.  I thought Eric Young and Killian did some good stuff, I was impressed with Killian’s conditioning, and Eric does all of the little things right.  Roddy doesn’t piss me off and I can growing to tolerate him, not like, but I don’t hate his matches as much.  He tries.  I came into this thinking that I like Bobby Fish, but he did nothing here in this match.  I did see something in Kyle O’Reilly tonight that really impressed me.  He has mannerisms and the way that he moves and acts, he’s a total package.  He’s the best of the group.  Speaking of the group, I don’t get the Adam Cole hype.  The pecking order goes HBK > Dolph > Stevie Richards >>>>>>>>>> Adam Cole.  He reminds me a lot of early to mid 90’s HBK, the HBK that was not very good, just had great conditioning and charisma.  This guy is all flash and no substance.  Jeff Hardy probably thinks that you are amazing.  The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega probably think that this guy is brilliant.  Yeah, he’s not.  He’s not exciting in the least bit.  I don’t even know what his moveset is, but it seems generic as fuck.  This is why the IWC can all fuck themselves because they just cheer on what seems cool and new.  This match was fun, and it kept my attention.  I really didn’t care for the rules where both members of the team came into the match rather than rotating one guy at a time, which was  the normal way as far as I can recall.  This could have been better with some tweaks, but I did like it.  Still, I won’t re-watch this anytime soon.

Rating: 5.7 The big guys made this match entertaining if we’re being honest.

This wasn’t the best NXT special, but it had 2 really good matches, plus a War Games.  I’m positive that this was better than what Survivor Series will provide us as fans.

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NXT Takeover Houston 2017 Preview

Kassius Ohno vs Lars Sullivan

This match is a simple example of putting a monster that WWE is trying to build up in the ring with a great veteran ring hand to make this guy look even better than he is and carry him to a longer, PPV style match.  Kassius deserves better in some regards, but I still feel that his physique is holding him back.  That’s not me insulting his physique, I’m fine with it and KO and Joe are examples of dudes who can go despite a physique that doesn’t look like a typical superstar.  I think Lars actually has potential.  He moves in the ring fairly well, has a good look, and his moveset is decent enough, especially this early in his career.A problem with NXT is that they don’t have a good variety, it’s vanilla midget heaven.  Who’s going to be the one who takes out Lars?  Killian Dain or Alexander Wolfe?    That’s a problem.  This should be the worst match of the night, but it could be fun.

Prediction: Lars easily wins

 

Aleister Black vs The Velveteen Dream

My goodness, has Patrick taken this gimmick and absolutely owned it.  Here’s the type of guy that is meant for a long career.  He’s got a great look, a great gimmick, pulls it off, and is pretty good in the ring.  He needs some more seasoning, but he should be a star.  This has been the best angle on NXT since Summerslam weekend.  It’s not even close.  I love that it is bringing out a new side of Aleister, which was necessary.  I see no reason for Aleister to lose, but I would be fine with either outcome.  I honestly hope this feud carries on to January’s Takeover.  I’d be perfectly happy if Velveteen loses and that makes him even more unrelenting in messing with Aleister.  I am expecting this to be a very good and fun match.

Prediction: Aleistar wins but I am very uncertain

 

NXT Women’s Fatal 4 Way for the vacant championship
Kairi Sane vs Ember Moon vs Peyton Royce vs Nikki Cross

OK, I am an unapologetic fan of Nikki.  I think that girl is truly awesome and I love watching her.  She’s like Dean Ambrose, only with a moveset and dedication to the crazy.  I have long felt that Ember would take the belt off of Asuka but WWE did the bitch move and never passed the torch.  Ember is main roster ready if we’re being honest and if she was the 5th member of Team Smackdown, that would be amazing.  Peyton Royce is fantastic, and is now appearing to have moved ahead of Billie Kay, which saddens me.  I love Billie and I want her to succeed, but Peyton is the star of the duo at the moment.  Peyton would be an excellent choice as she has the unfair advantage of having Billie.  I truly believe that this is the best person to put it on, to a point where they consider breaking them up and have them feud maybe at Mania the Takeover after.  Then there is Kairi.  I don’t get it.  The Pirate Princess gimmick is fucking stupid.  She does nothing in ring that wows me.  She’s different and that’s enough to titillate the neckbeards that gather at Full Sail.  Sorry, Kairi is nothing special at the moment.  But Kent, she’s from Japan, so that means that she is really great right?  This shit needs to stop.  Just because you are successful in Japan or on the indies doesn’t mean that your style translates to WWE.  Believe me, I will get to that soon enough.  For right now, I give the following odds.  Kairi 65%, Ember 20%, Peyton 10%, and Nikki at 5%.  Peyton or Ember is the best choices as champion though.

Prediction: Kairi Sane and I will boo my TV

 

NXT Championship match – Drew McIntyre vs Andrade Cien Almas

I don’t know if this will main event or not.  It shouldn’t because War Games is going to drain the crowd.  That would suck for Drew and Andrade to have to follow it.  I am so happy for Andrade because I have been singing this man’s praises for over a year now.  I think the guy is great in ring, and now he has his valet chick, Vega, who is attractive, decent on the mic, and can hit moves. Unfortunately for Andrade, he is here to get Drew over.  I accept that.  Drew is a fucking stud and is so main roster ready.  I’d prefer Andrade winning and moving Drew up, but that’s not in the cards yet.  I expect this to actually be the best match of the night because both of these guys are amazing.  I can’t say the same for some of the guys in the War Games.

Prediction: Drew McIntyre

 

War Games – Sanity vs Undisputed ERA vs Authors of Pain and Roderick Strong

Here comes the pain and a lot of you hardcore fans will not like what I have to say.  I say this, go shave your neckbeard and shut the fuck up.  This Undisputed ERA group is trash.  I really am not buying them at all.  Bobby Fish I could possibly get behind.  Adam Cole is like a poor man’s Stevie Richards who was a poor man’s HBK.  Adam Cole is incredibly overhyped.  He is a vanilla midget.  I wish Kevin Nash would come out and squash them all.  Same goes for Roderick Strong.  Yeah, he can have decent matches, but boy is he beyond dull.  He needs a personality transplant.  So that leaves the AoP and Sanity.  I love Sanity, I think they are great.  I am high on Alexander Wolfe and WWE is high on Killian.  I have long enjoyed Eric Young’s work.  Authors of Pain are awesome.  I wish they had paired up with somebody like Lars Sullivan or Johnny Gargano.  Still, AoP is awesome and I love that Paul Ellering is involved due to his history with War Games.  I just wish Dusty was alive to see this.  Despite the vanilla midgets, this match shall deliver.  I hope that they make this brutal and violent.  Nothing that is going to shorten careers, but some blood and some vicious double and triple team moves could be super fun.  People fondly remember War Games, as do I.  Don’t let nostalgia fool you.  There’s some really bad War Games matches.  This hopefully won’t be one.  I would have much preferred this when they had Ciampa and Gargano along with another team like Sanity or American Alpha.  You could have had a better match with the better talent.  You know I’m right.  If you disagree with me, I’m sorry that you have shit for taste in wrestling and you value boring “technical” wrestling over entertainment.  Oh, and there is zero doubt in my mind who the winner is because they gotta try to make it seem like these vanilla fucks are somehow important and talented.  Ugh.

Prediction: Undisputed Vanilla wins

 

Bold prediction, Survivor Series will have 2 matches better than the worst match at Takeover.  I expect some interesting entrances, or at least hope for them.

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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:4 “Some Guy”

We got a more character and story driven episode, thankfully, and it didn’t disappoint.  They really added layers and dimensions to Ezekiel and Jerry.  I’m back with my Mean Street Posse who answer my inane questions.  As always, any comments in bold are done by Kent.  Please enjoy, and share this with friends on social media in memory of Shiva.

Intro

  1.  I know some of you are especially emotional, so let’s just get it out of the way.  Really, what was Jerry thinking when he was trying to break the chain or lock with his battleaxe and as a consequence, breaking it?

Briana:  Right? What was he thinking? Wood against chains? I think he just panicked and did the only thing he could do to try getting the gate open!  (I can’t recall any video game where wood beat chains, and Jerry strikes me as a gamer pre ZA.)

Bob:  Perfect.  The hinges may have been weaker.  This was one of many scenes where walkers were right on top of them with a ton of dialogue.  (I very much appreciate that you bring up the dialogue aspect.  It’s pretty damn funny when they do this sort of silliness.  It makes me chuckle.)

Bitty: Jerry!!! Noooooooo! He wasn’t thinking about anything other than the King. He was in a moment of do or die. (Yeah, I think his hair did the talking there.  You could tell that his head wasn’t fully in the game.)

Brian:  he knew his trusty weapon would not let him down and had to save the king.(You gotta save the King or else it’s all for nothing.)

Kristi:  He was just trying to get out of there and that was the idea that hatched in his mind. It wasn’t really a sit down to make a solid plan kinda moment. (I read this and laughed because I pictured Ezekiel and Jerry pulling a Zack Morris and pausing the action and sitting down drawing up a plan to stay alive.  I think of weird things.)

Chris:  That axe was the glue that held the group together……. I don’t even……..  (Brilliant answer that made me legit laugh.  Thank you for that.)

Raylene:  I believe he was trying to break the chains perhaps figuring it would be easier than breaking the lock. There was really no place for them to go unless Jerry just tossed the king over the fence like a hoss.  (Bonus points for saying Hoss, and I would have also enjoyed them showing Jerry toss a dummy of Ezekiel like they used to do in Married With Children.)

Eric:  all he was thinking about was saving the king. Weapons come and go in this world. Daryl lost his crossbow numerous times through the series. (This made me wonder, how many crossbows has Daryl gone through and does he keep a supply of arrows at Alexandria?)

Kent:  Let’s face it, some of us are better/worse than others in a panic situation.  It was clearly a panic situation and it doesn’t strike me that Jerry has been in many situations like this.  Now, I am tossing this idea out there, but with Jerry’s strength and and the battleaxe, I kinda thought the better moe was to go for the chain link fencing.  It’s been awhile in the ZA, so it seems plausible that he could have hossed his way through the fence that way, or at least had a better chance than the lock and chain attempt.  With that being said, I can’t make fun because I panic in stupid video games, so I’d be awful in the ZA.

 

  1.  A lot of us knew that Shiva would meet her demise this season for a variety of reasons.  Was this the right time and the right purpose?

Briana:  Is there such thing as a right time or reason for that awfulness? It was horrific and had me more upset than most people who got got on this show!! (Yes that was a shout out to your usual verbiage! Lol) But to more directly answer your question, it was as good a time and reason as any other. Ezekiel saved her life and she repaid him. The sounds though man!  (What is this emotion that I am feeling?  Joy? Pride? I’m just so happy to see you use the got got that you get a gold star.)

Bob:  I was just laughing…  The show set up sooo many moments where the tiger would rush to the rescue.  It was appropriate to kill the tiger BUT I really have a hard time thinking a cornered tiger that weighs 500 lbs could not have just run through or quickly rip apart the walkers.  If there is a belief that the tiger died on purpose, stop it now.  (If you read my answer, you will see how much I agreed with your assessment.  I think of Tyrese taking out like 50 walkers surrounding the car, but this tiger couldn’t handle 8 of them.  Please!)

Bitty:  Ezekiel saved her, she saved him. Poetic and amazing. I think I was more upset with her death than many characters we’ve lost. What would happen if she got bit but ran away? Would she have turned?  (I will not focus on the Disney aspect of your comment, but the question of animals getting bit is something that I don’t think they have yet to really answer.  I can’t recall an instance in the comic where it happened.  Yeah, you opened Pandora’s Box here.  If we think about animalistic nature, it’s to hunt and eat and feed basically, that and to mate.  While we have yet to see walkers attempting to mate, we see that their main goal is to feed.  Jenner talked about this in the season 1 finale.  So how would we know when an animal had “turned”?  The usual thing would be to spread the virus, but everybody already has it, except Little Ass Kicker.  I wonder, what would be the tell tale signs of say a cat who turned.  Would it be meaner like Church was after coming back from being buried in Pet Sematary?  Would it walk like it had 15 shots of booze, or would it have a different breathing sound or meow?  Yeah, you did not expect me to go this in depth, but these are things I have pondered.  Good question.  Anybody who is reading this, I’d love to hear your insight, maybe via comment on social media or on the blog post itself.)

Brian:  Right time and place. Another false idol getting his due for being a murderous leader. If the king had stayed with the saviors and not joined rick’s coup then him and his subjects would still be alive.  (Now I know that some of you don’t agree with Brian’s assessment, but there is something to be said for this theory.  I ask later on about whether the Kingdom should have gotten involved.  Would The Saviors have kept collecting and basically let the Kingdom live in peace had they just stayed in their lane?  I think this is a fine point.)

Kristi:  I am very unhappy about this but I think it happened at a good time. He needed Shiva at that moment and although, this is one death that will impact him, I think he needed to be thrown into the reality of what is happening. (I was afraid to message you after this episode.)

Chris:  I think it needed to happen to break the king.  He’s going to go through his depressed stage now, only for Carol to show him the light.  (Isn’t it interesting how Carol really is like the voice of reason, and has been for most of the series.  Not the morale compass, but really a voice of reason.  After T Dog sacrificed himself for her, I think that was her moment, and I know the Sophia thing also contributed, but the T Dog incident made her go in a closet alone with just her thoughts and since then, she’s been different. Like, she wasn’t wrong in burning the bodies at the prison.  She did the right (unpopular) thing.)

Raylene:  Yes this seemed to be a fitting way for her to go out saving her handler as he did for her prior to the outbreak.  (You’ve known this was coming because I don’t ever not spoil stuff from the comics, but this felt right at least.)

Eric:  I would have liked to see Shiva last longer in the series. I think it would have been a good “symbol” for the group. She died saving her master.  (I would have liked to see her last longer, but I do believe that it was just as much a budget thing as it was narrative driven.  Let’s face it, the show is making cash, but they have so many people to pay.  The 100 plus actors, the walkers, all the make up and special effects people, the cost for locking down these places, the cost of having Shiva in more was probably prohibitive.)

Kent:  I’m really glad that Bob brought up 2 points that I was going to make.  I mean it’s like Thanksgiving with John Goodman, Bob is not leaving me much meat here, haha.  We have been told time and time again how the walkers continue to get weaker and weaker, that’s how Rick can kill a whole field on his own without a bite or scratch.  Sooooo big bad ass tiger that wouldn’t have an issue taking strong people out is going to get taken out like that?  I’m not buying that, and I know that I am supposed to be a good Lil Jimmy and just be happy and play along, but this was silly.  The narrative that they tried making this poetic, I get it, and it pulls at the heart strings, as you have read, but this was like some Disney shit, or fast traveling dragons swooping in to save a great group of guys.  Are TWD and GoT competing for some silliness award?

 

  1.  This question is brought to you via Brian.  Jerry loses his battle axe and the king loses his tiger. Will the loss of their iconic weapons cause them to fall out of character?

Briana:  Yes I believe it is sort of an homage to how things will be different for them moving forward. I’m not sure about Jerry, but for Ezekiel, he was already falling out of character before she died. And that will be the last straw for him. He believes now that he’s just a guy who happened to find a tiger and now he has no tiger.  (Do you think it will take Ezekiel time to be that public face that he was or will he begrudgingly play the role and just not be very public?)

Bob:  The King has his hair.  Jerry should wield a sledgehammer next, an upgraded Tyrese character.  (I love all 3 aspects of your response, the hair, sledgehammer, and Tyrese.  Gold star!)

Bitty:  I believe that Jerry will continue his role in the kingdom. If anything the weakening of Ezekiel will make Jerry even more important to him. (Very good point in regards to Jerry being forced to up his game.)

Brian:  The king has lost the reason he became the king. He will be torn apart. (One might theorize that a part of him does get torn from him.  I can’t say anything beyond that.)

Kristi:  Jerry, no. I think Ezekiel will be at a loss but he will rise back up and be stronger because of it. (Yeah, he will rise up again.  I am curious, like I asked with Bri, wondering if he will stay in his room for awhile, or go out and try to put on his persona.)

Chris:  I doubt Jerry will become less awesome, but losing Shiva will be devastating to Ezekiel.  He’s going to believe he is nothing without her.  (Yeah, the moment Jerry becomes less awesome, probably the show gets cancelled.)

Raylene:  I think for a while the king will lose his way but then the sweet loving of Carol will bring him back and Jerry will remain as he has been. (Will we get a Carol and Ezekiel sexy scene?  I would applaud this.)

Eric:  Daryl was always Daryl even without his crossbow.  The king will still be the king even without his tiger. and jerry can always find another axe.  (Eric, that was borderline poetic.  Kudos.  You’re right, Daryl was Daryl.  If you’ve made it this far in the ZA, I feel that your time for mourning is cut by 98% or what we would go through.  Great point.)

Kent:  I would say that Jerry basically becomes Ezekiel’s next weapon….although if a sledgehammer happened to end up in Jerry’s hands, HHH would approve, and he is the King of Kings.  So from one king to another, you cannot go wrong with this weapon.  Plus it is much less likely to get stuck like machetes tend to.  I think the characters evolve to half assedly answer Brian’s question.

 

  1.  Did you find the opening scene more inspirational or depressing?  Please only consider the opening scene and not the whole episode and choose one or the other because yes, it’s both.  See how bland that answer is?

Briana:  this is a tough one but I’ll have to say depressing! Even if I didn’t know how it ended for them and only saw that scene without anything else. Loved ones leaving to fight a war is depressing regardless of the outcome.  (Yeah, the leaving for war thing, I gotta say, the way they filmed this whole opening was incredibly effective in my opinion.)

Bob:  Since I have to pick one of those, depressing.  It seemed to be a grim and accurate portrayal of the results of war.  Ezekiel being in quasi-shock – well Ezekiel got what he deserved for saying we will not lose one of our ranks.  (Excellent point about the war aspect.  It’s odd to think of somebody from the theater being so outlandish to make such a stupid proclamation.  Then I think back to our time doing theater and remember a handful of jacmos that would be that foolish.)

Bitty:  It was depressing. Also ummmm electricity?  (This isn’t the Stranger Things blog.  Although, man a TWD universe with an Upside Down would be fascinating, at least for an episode.)

Brian:  its always best to dress well and kiss your loved ones goodbye before you leave to murdert innocents.  (Don’t mind me, I’m just over here nodding with a smirk on my face.)

Kristi:  Depressing. With the history of the show, I think we all know after a speech like that a certain demise is sure to follow. (It’s like Jax Teller giving a rousing speech before they got to take out the Mayans or Niners, you know if it’s a big speech, somebody is dying.)

Chris:  Just depressing.  Ezekiel was not prepared for the idea of losing his people, and to lose so many in such a quick fashion set the tone for his breakdown at the end.  (Yeah, theater people are not very good kings or generals.  I once played the role of a king.  I was terrible at it.)

Raylene:  To me it was depressing the king was not ready for the way the Saviors fight and other than the two men and kid we see at the gate in the end is the majority of the kingdom left just women?  (Yeah, it’s probably similar to the crop of people that Rick’s group brought to the prison from Woodbury.  That’s my guess.  Also, let’s not forget Nabila, who is a crowd favorite.)

Eric:  it was inspiring to see the king rally his people to battle. Like he knew it wouldn’t end well.  (If I put myself in the mindset of being a member of the Kingdom, that’s the exact kind of speech I would like to hear before marching off to my impending doom.  That’s what I took away from it.)

Kent:  Huh, I gotta be honest, I really expected more people to say inspiring rather than depressing.  Thanks everybody, except for Eric, for making me incorrect.  To me, that speech that he gave, I absolutely loved it.  Looking back on this show, it may end up one of my favorite speeches, probably top 3.  The Governor raiding the prison is also obviously up there.

 

  1.  Now that we have had an opportunity to meet Gunther and see his demise, do you wish that he maybe had a bigger role prior?  Gunther is the Savior who took Ezekiel and stole his blade.

Briana:  Eww no! He was a Pervy looking weirdo and I’ve had enough of the psycho saviors at this point! Lol! There are enough solid characters who have the bad guy, creeper dude thing going for him. Not that he was bad for that part, I just don’t know how much of him I could have handled other than that.  (Pervy looking weirdo?  Check.  Creeper?  Check.  He’s just living the ZA dream.)

Bob:  Seriously?  What could be a bigger role than being halved by Jerry?  (Your answer made me stop in my tracks and reflect on that.  You’re not wrong.  I think it’s one of the most iconic kills of the show.)

Bitty:  I’m sorry I just couldn’t get the image of Napoleon Dynamite out of my head.  (Interestingly enough, well you can scroll down and see that you aren’t alone.  I prefer the Dahmer reference, but to each their own.)

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Brian:  no Gunther could have been anyone. The true believers know that together they will survive. They are all negan and that way they use his strength and toughness.  To survive.  (But could he have been Dahmer’s son?  That’s my big question.)

Kristi: I didn’t care for him at all. I’m good with the amount of screen time he received. Less would have been prefered actually. (I kinda thought that you would dig him.  He reminded me of somebody that would have been in Devil’s Rejects.)

Chris:  He was the last person to die via Jerry’s battle axe!  He must have placed a curse on it  (Is it safe to say the first and last?  Jerry doesn’t strike me as a dude who has killed any living person prior.  The curse is real.  Hopefully next year during the season, do something like they are with the 30 second videos on the red handled machete, maybe we could get the history of the battleaxe.)

Raylene:  I would have like a longer role for him perhaps seeing if he really was mind f****king Ezekiel.  (You have spent too much time with me if you enjoyed him.  Good for you.)

Eric:  little peon fuck. I wanted to watch him die from the first time I saw him  (Well, I don’t know if we will get a more aggressive response in this blog, so there is that.)

Kent:  Man, i rather liked this guy and thought he did a dynamite job.  Judging from the responses, it seems like he did a good job, but people are sick of that character archetype.  To nobody’s surprise, I really enjoyed him.  Please get him for the next Rob Zombie film, as I think he would do a great job.

 

  1.  Should Carol have let the 2 guys get away with the guns and save Jerry and Ezekiel or focus on the task at hand?

Briana:  She did the right thing. You save the people you know you can save instead of hoping to try to save people you still might not save and then still get the other people killed. That didn’t make sense did it?  (It makes perfect sense the 7th time you read it.)  Lol! If she’d kept fighting with those guys, she may have very easily just ran out of bullets and still accomplished nothing is what I’m getting at here.  (Yeah, it could have just turned into a pissing contest.)

Bob:  If I were those guys, I would have shot Carol when she ran away to save Ezekiel.  Then I would have had Ezekiel for Negan.  That only happened to bring Rick and Daryl into the episode.  The Humvee chase was a very good scene.  (Yeah, I don’t know why they didn’t at least take a shot at Carol.  It baffled me.)

Bitty: Should Carol have saved the guns? Hell yes. Two seasons ago Carol would have. Last season Carol would’ve hid and this Season’s Carol has found a balance between being a bad ass and a person with feelings again. (I like where you’re going with this.  To add to it, in this scenario, guns equals lives to a degree.  We all love Ezekiel and Jerry, but one could easily make an argument that her acquiring those guns and keeping them from Negan could very well save 30 lives.  It’s something to think about.  Or not, I don’t know.  I’m tired.  Now I kinda want to switch my answer.  I won’t, but I kinda want to.)

Brian:  Carol knew  that the other murderous duo was waiting to finish what she could not.  (DId she definitely know?  I was questioning it.  Like she knew after the fact, but did she know in the moment?  Like the plan didn’t go off without a hitch, so they didn’t have everything exactly timed, there was no official time table, I can’t imagine.  It felt like lazy writing that Rick and Daryl conveniently got out of trouble in time to chase down these guys.)

Kristi:  I don’t think she really had a choice. Saving Ezekiel was the right thing to do. The Kingdom needs their King and it would have haunted Carol had she let him die. She did the right thing. (You say that it would have haunted her, and I agree with that.  Do you think that she needed to do it in some regard to her own mental health?  Like she can’t allow somebody to die on her watch if she can do anything about it.  I hadn’t considered it, but that’s a solid idea.)

Chris:  If she doesn’t save Ezekiel then the kingdom has no leader and will be no help in the war.  She made the right choice.  However, I agree with other comments that she could have shot the tires out.  (So while I agree with you about the tires, I then thought, if she did that, would she have definitely forced their hand to shoot and try to kill her?  Then I talked to myself in circles.)

Raylene:  Perhaps she could’ve shot the tires out on the vehicles and then saved Jerry and Ezekiel. (Okay, another person for shooting tires out.  Note what I said to Chris.)

Eric:  in the end, they got the guns. But the writers seem to be taking liberties with the fact that Rick will save the day.  (Yeah, just a smidgen with the liberties.  I call BS that they timed it that way, but it helps move the narrative along.  The logic is very flawed though.)

Kent:  I’m still shocked that those guys didn’t at the very least shoot more at her, despite the ammo situation.  As you know, I pick and choose odd things to dwell on, this was one.  Logically, they had a chance at the king, and even if they knew that, it seemed odd that they took a chance that she wasn’t going to kill them boys.  Of course it’s the “right choice” because it played out positively for our group.  In a real life predicament, I felt that she was a tad careless.  Once again, I am supposed to suspend my disbelief, so I apologize.

 

  1.  While this episode certainly humanized Ezekiel significantly, gave us additional perspective, did it make him a better or worse leader, in your eyes?  Also, and this per Brian, with the King being down at the moment, will other characters maintain their role playing within the Kingdom?

Briana: If Ezekiel really lets himself go in this ocean of depression he’s on the edge of, they’re screwed. But I think he will pull himself out! He loves his people and they will show him they still need him and he will do it for them whether he thinks he can or not.  (I am hoping that Nabila helps him.  She is the chick that we saw last season, and she was super sweet.  I hope she gets more shine this season.)

Bob:  Ezekiel needs to live by the Fake it till you Make it mantra.  He can be down but as a leader he has to resurge and not feel self pity.  And not make silly promises like no one will die in war.  Yes, I am not done with this dead horse. (Good, keep up the good work on beating the dead horse.  I get stuck on certain things and can’t let go, like Daryl and Carol in the ambulance or Glenn and the dumpster, or Rick running through walkers with a scratch or bite.)

Bitty:  “Fake it till you make it baby” He’s by far the guy I’d like to hang out with during the apocalypse. (I think that would make for a wonderful question some week when I don’t have enough topics.  Hint….hint.)

Brian:  I think that now the facade is crumbling and they are not going to make it so stop faking it. His ego has led his cult followers to certain death. (The word facade doesn’t get used enough in this blog and really for this show, facade should be used way more often.)

Kristi:  After all is said and done, I think it made him a stronger leader. I liked that he told Jerry he was no King and that he was willing to stay back since he was slowing them down. I think it will make him stronger. It will knock some sense into him that they are not untouchable and have a better grip on reality. I think the people in the kingdom need him as their leader so I don’t think anything will change as far as that goes. (Yeah, if you read my answer, I’m of the same thought.  Losses create opportunities to learn and better yourself.)

Chris: I think, in the end, this will make him a better leader.  Having to deal with loss will make him stronger.  I think the role playing has to continue to keep morale up. (Imagine if they just stopped with the role playing and then out comes Jerry and like he didn’t get the memo.  That would be a funny scene at the very least.)

Raylene:  I think it just showed him as an inexperienced fighting leader . He did have the best of intentions for his people. Yes people will try to keep their life as normal as possible.  (Best intentions, sure.  I am surprised that he didn’t have any solid advisors, aside from Carol and the ghosts of Benjamin and Richard.)

Eric:  he is the king for a reason. he plays the part and people follow him. other character might “ step up” but he will always be the king (That’s the thing.  You can fool so many people that you are something that you are not, which I guess is the fake it til you make it, but it kinda goes deeper than that.  Yes, he’s made it, but more importantly, he did so good that people have legit bought into it.)

Kent:  I just hit myself in the face with a pillow accidentally and wished to share that knowledge with you.  I’m going to compare this a bit to a famous person, and it’s sports related, and I apologize, but the analogy should work.  Michael Jordan wasn’t always the greatest.  WHat made him great is that he had the natural progression of fighting to make the playoffs, then fighting, in some cases literally fighting to get past the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons who had their own “Jordan Rules” for ways to play MJ.  So he failed, it took like 5 seasons before he won his first championship.  He was cocky and he is the single most competitive person alive.  But losing definitely builds character.  Think about school, if you got just one question wrong, if you cared, you looked at what you did wrong and you attempted to learn from that mistake which makes you stronger.  To answer Brian’s question, I think the role playing must continue because it is incredibly effective in maintaining order.

 

  1.  A third or half of the Kingdom has been wiped out.  In hindsight, should they have gotten involved in this war?

Briana:  I still think it was necessary. Without them, they had no chance. And it seems like the plan is working. It’s war. Independence is never gained without casualty. They will rebuild and persevere.  (Great line about the independence.  I mean, it’s not Bill Pullman great, but it’s very good.  I just wanted an opportunity to mention Bill Pullman.)

Bob:  Yes. Of course – while they had weapons and confidence. (I think weapons and confidence, especially in this scenario, are equally important, so great point.)

Bitty:  Yes. They needed to be involved. They need to survive. If anything they were the most prepared. (I don’t know, those Oceansiders were really well prepared.)

Brian:  no they were surviving and even thriving before they were brainwashed by rick and his plot to hide his past.  (If anybody expected a different answer from Brian, you haven’t been paying any attention.)

Kristi:  Yes. They need to come together and defeat Negan. They should have planned better and had his speech been more realistic, they may have been better prepared though. (I loved the speech, but how many people just went in thinking that they were gonna run this town tonight?  How many realists were involved?)

Chris:  Of course.  Being under Negan’s rule, it was only a matter of time before people died.  (That’s something that hasn’t really been tackled well in this show.  How much does Negan value the people under him in The Saviors and the groups that work for him?  I wish they would delve deeper into his psychology.  You can’t just kill all of your suppliers, I mean The Governor would have, but I feel that Negan is smarter than that.(

Raylene:  Yes because they would have still been under Negan’s rule  (Is that such a bad thing?)

Eric:  the numbers were needed. They chose to fight the saviors. it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees.  (Seriously dude, you are coming out with some lines this week.  Keep this up.)

Kent:  Man, my questions suck this week because everybody is just in unison agreement.  When thinking about this, I had to determine what I felt The Kingdom’s main objective was.  Is it survival or to grow and rebuild.  While I believe it should be to survive, I feel that their objective is to grow so joining this war was the only option.  Damnit, I’m agreeing with people.  Booooooo.

 

  1.  At no point do you ever really fear for Rick or Daryl’s life and it makes certain scenes a tad silly due to lack of suspense.  Should the writers consider pulling a Game of Thrones and killing one of them to truly prove that anybody can die at any time on the show or is it too late in the show for that?

Briana:  No. I think what you’re saying makes sense and it would fulfill the storyline more realistically but it’s a show and those are our dudes, man! It’s definitely too late to pull that stunt!  (It is too late in the show to do it.  Nobody else is big enough to have the impact, but you can’t kill either.)

Bob:  That is a jump the shark move if I have ever heard one.  Ted McGinley. (Thank you for referencing Ted McGinley.)

Bitty:  If either Rick or Daryl die it has to be epic. I don’t think they’ll do it but that would be the only way it’d be acceptable. (They can do it in the final season no problem, but by then, it will have an entirely different meaning. On the plus side, a cleansing is coming next year.  There are going to be some sad people in this group.)

Brian:  yes but it needs to be believable deaths. Darryl needs to OD or Rick needs to do the right thing and realize that he should end his own life to save the rest of the people that follow him before his selfish ways kill them all. Perfect ending Darryl ods and as rick tries to revive him walker Darryl eats him.  (I wish Daryl still had some of Merle’s pills for when he had The Clap. On a related note, ACDC’s song “The Jack” is actually about how he got The Clap, but in Australia, they can refer to it as the Jack.)

Kristi:  Yes! It would definitely add suspense to it and give other characters the chance to really shine.(I know that you and I watch a lot of the same shows, so it makes sense for you to be on my side for this one.   Nothing will ever hit me as hard as Opie’s death in Sons.)

Chris:  I think it would be an amazing idea to kill one of them off.  If not one of them, someone really important (Carl/Michener/Maggie.).  Rick or Daryl dying would be a legit shock. (I hope you don’t get mad at me for not correcting the typo, but I love how Michonne turned to Michener.  I giggled.  I still think Maggie would be a huge swerve.  If they kill Carl, I am not sure if I would be as loyal of a fan.  He’s my favorite character along with Carol.  Carol I accept because I have zero expectations moving forward because she has long been dead in the comics, and was awful in the comics.  Carl’s character continues to improve in the comics, so I’d hate to see his demise.)

Raylene:  That would definitely spice this show up if they kill one of them. (And replace them with Sean Bean.)

Eric:  at this point the ratings would tank if Daryl or Rick were killed off. (Yeah, I think that decision now would be the death knell for the show.  Had they done in Daryl in season 4 or 5, I think they could have survived it.  I don’t think the show could ever survive without Rick.  It’d be like that 70’s Show when Eric (Topher Grace) left the show.  He was the main component.)

Kent:  They are in a damned if they do and damned if they don’t point.  I love this show, but I still talk to people who don’t like it or critique it because I still think that perspective is important.  It appears to me that one of, if not the biggest complaint is that it is very formulaic and that there are characters that are put in dangerous situations but there’s no suspense because nobody believes that a Rick, Daryl, or Maggie can die.  That whole thing worked for Breaking Bad because it was about one main character. And they made it only 5 seasons long.  It’s too late to make a positive impact as far as the viewing experience.  Still, this is a big reason why Game of Thrones holds more suspense because there are point where you think that Jaime, Tyrion, or even Dany flying on her dragon could get got.  That makes that show far more compelling.  Also, I want to really say that formulaic is a good term to describe TWD.  This season Ezekiel will be depressed and moody, last year it was Daryl, and the season before it was Carol, and so on.  There seems to the topic of humanity and where the line is for “too much” as far as defending yourself or group.  They are good themes, and completely justifiable given the context, but it does happen a lot, so the nay sayers aren’t wrong.  Millennials may refer to them as haters.  Don’t be that person.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  It appears that we will get to see Eugene next week, but still no Carl.  How many more episodes before he makes an appearance and what do you think he will be doing?  Have fun with this one people.

Briana:  Wow! I honestly forgot about him. How is that even possible? I can’t even remember where he is. He’s back at Alexandria right? (Yes, he should be at least since he’s in charge.)  So he’s definitely going to have been prepping for a potential backlash if the troops fail! He’s also dropped Judith on her head and now she’s got a lazy eye! (I think it’s funny how many things and theories I have read about Judith.  I have never seen a child character so mistreated by the fans in hilarious ways.  She’s doing better than she did in the comics, that’s fo sho.)

Bob:  Carl will have made new friends.  Much needed friends.  We will see him mid-season finale or the finale.  (Huh, like dude friends that say Bro way too often, or has he forged an alliance.  I need details.)

Bitty:  Carl will have strengthened Alexandria. He will have created a system of order and a new reign of warriors. Or he’ll have knocked up Enid. I mean come on now, what’s one more baby in the apocalypse that we’ll never hear from. (Babies aren’t a bother at all in the ZA.  Really, the only trouble that Judith caused was when Glenn and Maggie went to get baby formula and Merle captured them.)

Brian:  Arl will be at home going through puberty imagining things about his soon to be stepmom.  (This is a very realistic thing that people probably cringe at, but it’s totally true.)

Kristi:  In the following week. He will be kicking it with his friends, helping them learn to fight. (I seriously hope that he’s made friends.  He needs to.  I would love to see a Morgan and Carl buddy episode.)

Chris:  Wait , that wasn’t Carl riding around with Daryl?????  I just assumed he had another growth spurt….  (I laughed and thought that this was brilliant.)

Raylene:  Two episodes and he’ll have gone to hillside and gotten Enid pregnant  (Man, you girls want Carl to put it to Enid.  That’s weird.)

Kent:  I love that multiple people thought that he would naturally knock up Enid.  I honestly think that Enid may die, but that’s just a theory.  I imagine that he is still teaching himself how to drive, maybe do some doughnuts.  I also hope that he is training Kent to be a bigger bad ass, providing that Kent is still alive.  Also, if he sent out a crew to find Heath, I would be happy.

 

  1.  Last week I should have asked this, but I will ask it now.  If you take all characters, both past and present, what would be your dream one on one fight?  Bonus points if you choose 2 characters that were alive and relevant at the same time on the show.

Briana:  I don’t get the bonus points but I’m going with it anyway bc it would be awesome! Andrea vs Tara! (No, you get bonus points.  You are the only person that killed off Tara.  That’s worth or 5 gold stars!)

Bob:  Shane v. Negan  (Thought about it, loved it, I think Shane wins.  Negan was, well I don’t want to ruin what Negan was prior to the ZA, but he didn’t have the background that Shane did.  I will say this, Negan has an extra gear when it comes to fighting, so this would be fun.)

Bitty:  Sofia v Carl. If Sofia had lived this long would she be Carl’s equal?  (This was a really great one.  So we are assuming that Carol still has learned a lot of shit, except she is also still in mother mode.  She will have taught and trained Sophia.  I would give Carl the edge because that boy has taken 2 gunshots and still lived, but that would be fun.)

Brian:  Hershel vs negan standing on opposite hillsides watching their army’s battle it out. Or negan and the governor one on one.  (Would Herschel have both legs?  If we are doing season 4 Governor, which I think was his most dangerous, and Negan, I know Negan would have the strength advantage, but Governor was faster thinking and wirey.  That’s a damn fine fight.  I’m going to take  Governor in that one.)

Kristi:  Merle and Eugene.  (Eugene whoops Merle’s ass, obviously.  Merle would go for overhand chop with his knife, but his blade would get stuck in the Tennessee top hat and Eugene would have the advantage.)

Chris:  Eugene and Gregory!!!!!  There would be so much crying.  I would actually like to see Abraham and Shane throw down.  (First of all, Gregory seems like the kind of guy that would just try to wear out Eugene, except Eugen would take 2 steps and realize that he’s wasting energy.  It would be the worst draw ever, and hilarious.  Abe and Shane was my original answer.  2 years ago, I did a bracket tournament of fights between TWD characters, selected at random.  This was a match I thought a lot about.  I think Shane wins unless Abe gets under his skin with all of his one liners.  First to make a mistake loses situation.)

Raylene:  Dale and Hershel fighting to be the moral compass of the group  (Herschel has a shotgun with unlimited ammo.  Dale is afraid to use a gun or to kill people who may kill him and his group.  I’d still enjoy this.)

Eric:  I would have liked to see Michonne and Maggie fight. I think it would make a cool fight. I also would like to see Rick really fight neegan hand to hand.  (I believe Maggie to be a really good shot, but if Michonne closed the gap while Maggie was reloading, then Michonne wins.  I think Michonne takes that one, of course it depends on the terrain.  If Michonne has nowhere to run, or does she have her sword, does Maggie get a gun.  That is a matchup that is dependant on the variables.  I think Rick wins against Negan.  I have Negan losing every fight suggested.  I really wish I could say what he was prior to the ZA.  Rick has shown me that he will be as sadistic as possible, and while that may be true of Negan, I don’t think Negan is that great of a thinker on his feet.  He is more of a strategist.  That’s my take.)

Kent:  Tara vs Tyrese, Carl, Daryl, Merle, the Governor, Carol, Abe, T Dog, Enid, Judith, and Negan would be my dream fight.  One on one though, I would have liked  Rick and Governor to have had a legit one.  Andrea vs Maggie would have been fun.  I honestly could give you 50 match ups that I would like, but I also watch way too much wrestling.  Chris actually took my original answer of Shane vs Abe.  That would be something.  Merle with both hands vs Abe would be something.

Final Thoughts – Just for fun, what do you think this “plan” is that Rick is hatching with Daryl now that they have those crates?

Briana:  I’m digging this season but I won’t lie, 4 episodes and counting on the same day gives me a weird 24 vibe and that’s throwing me off! Ready to get back to Negan and Gabriel’s love trailer!!

Bob:  It’s all about the setup and sabotaging.

Bitty:  They only have 2 massive guns right? They didn’t take all the cases from the out building?? Who knows what the plan is but I’m thinking they don’t agree.

Brian:  get surprised when they realize the guns were damaged during the accident.. remember the gun was setup during the firefight.. so getting crushed by a roll over truck could happen.

Raylene:  Arming everyone in the three communities with weapons

Eric:  they are gonna decimate the saviors with two .50 cal machine guns. They can do some serious damage.

Kent:  I think the plan is to ship Aaron and Jesus….duh.  I felt so awful writing that.  Any plan I can think of simply amuses me.    I could see them wanting to take out the Scavengers and even arm Oceanside as a sign of good faith. We’re going to see Oceanside again, so I guess we have to accept it.  I do think Rick should offer Tara to be Negan’s wife so they can have a person on the inside……and then she is made an example of in the most brutal scene in AMC’s history.  Please!!!!

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The Wrestling 9 Deuce – November 13 & 14, 2017 – It’s All About The Game Edition

Survivor Series is this Sunday, so we had the RAW and Smackdown go home shows.  They have done a really good job the past 3 weeks.  This will be easy to do and be super enjoyable, right?  Oh boy……it’s not.  Some ego stroking, some marriage proposal, Brock is laughing, RAW is invading, nobody on Smackdown seemed to really care to help, and much, much more nonsense.  Also, James Ellsworth got released this week, so much love for the man with 2 hands.   We talked about this, plus much more on this week’s episode of Are You Not Kentertained which you can also subscribe to on iTunes.

 

The 9

  1. Why didn’t the ref DQ the Shield at the end of their match?  They were all in the ring for an unusually long amount of time attacking their opponent.

Russ:  The Ref was caught up in the nostalgia.  Seeing the Shield together for the first time in the ring in a match must have distracted the ref.  I mean it isn’t like WWE wrestling is fake and they can pick and choose what rules suit them at the time.  So he forgot to count which was very beneficial to the Shield.  

Keri:  Two words…..Roman Reigns. You remember the rule where you don’t DQ or do anything to the Cena. Well now that rule applies to the Reigns and the rest of the Shield. It’s kinda ridiculous and predictable.

Kent:  It’s as if WWE picks and chooses when they follow their own rules.  But that can’t be right…can it?

  1.   Why did they wait until 6 days to go before announcing HHH on Team RAW?

Russ:   Well, I really hope that this is leading to a HHH / Angle match at Mania.  They have a ton of potential story that comes from having HHH join the RAW Team.  How will Jason Jordan react.  What is going to happen between HHH and Angle to start them on a feud for the next several months.  Both teams are stacked, who will win?  I’m more interested in figuring out how WWE is going to fuck these stories up because that is what they do best.  Oh, why wait until 6 days?  Seriously,  WWE is scared that Survivor Series is going to tank because ratings have been shit.  They are throwing Haymakers at the wind right now hoping people will watch when we get big names.  

Keri:  Reasons? I love how Survivor Series is just one big show to set up Angle vs. Triple H. Just another show to stroke the McMahon family ego. That is all. Why put over new talent and build for the future? Nah, that just seems too easy. I don’t know about you all but I don’t want to see two guys who are past their prime and one guy that has no business in the ring in a match where no one younger gets put over. And you all wonder why I’ve abandoned watching this crap and have moved on to better stuff.

Kent:  Well, we knew that the seed was planted for Kurt vs HHH, but man, they must have used some Miracle Grow on this shit.  Miracle Grow, please sponsor us!  All of this to set up Jason Jordan as the big heel turn down the road to represent the evil empire known of The Authority.    Why did they wait?  Fuck if I know.  I still popped for HHH and if that makes me a horrible person, I accept that.  But you have to accept that HHH still knows how to build up a solid feud.

  1.   Why did they end RAW with a match that had no implications or storyline aspects toward Survivor Series?

Russ:   Holy shit this was horrible.  I have no idea why RAW ended in a non-Survivor Series Story, but what a horrible mistake this was.  Kane can’t perform like he used to.  He is just getting too old and it showed in the ring.  The match was cringeworthy.  I think this was one of Braun’s worst matches in a long time.  I don’t blame him for this mess, but he sure looked bad in this thanks to Old man Kane.  

Keri:  Two words plain and simple. Lazy writing. This was honestly a horrible go home show. All it did was focus on the return of Triple H. Oh, here I go again with my stroking the family ego theory. I’ll stop now.

Kent:  I have no words to describe this one.  Both Russ and Keri are right.  They should have saved the HHH announcement to end the show.  Kane doesn’t have it anymore, and that’s ok.  He shouldn’t be having this high of a profile feud.  Braun isn’t at a point where he can be the one who carries a match.  This was beyond Blunderdome material.

  1.   Why did they pick Bayley over Mickie when Bayley losing was the best storyline angle moving forward?  Also, why has Alexa gotten no shine this month so far?

Russ:   WWE is fucking stupid.  I was pissed when they put Bayley over Mickie.  Bayley not getting on the team would have sparked a major rise for Bayley as she decides to become this monster heel as she thinks everyone around her is just using her.  Man, what a wasted opportunity.  A rare miss on WWE’s part.  As for Alexa.  I guess because she had no competition she could fight with directly they kind of left her off.  Stupid of course as Alexa is one of the consistently best performers.  Man another rare miss by WWE.   I can’t believe that would happen twice in the same night.  

Keri:  Two words…Four Horsewomen. Did you seriously think they were going to keep Bayley out of this match? Oh you did. That’s cute. But honestly it doesn’t matter. This should be Asuka’s match to shine. She is supposed to the unstoppable one. She should be sole survivor on Sunday. Any other outcome and WWE will prove what I’ve been saying since I forged into a better world. Come on WWE. I dare you to prove me right.

Kent:  Because they hate creative writing?  Mickie deserved it and it played for the better story of Sasha turning heel in a couple of months.  It made soooo much sense.  And that is why this happened because when something makes too much sense, WWE steps in and says TA DAAAH like a shitty magician at a child’s birthday party.  I kinda want a magician for my birthday.  A sexy one, with a moustache.  (Russ: I know what I’m dressing up as for your birthday now!)

  1.  Why bother to bring back Bray just to job to Jason and then not even replace him on the team?  Seriously, what the fuck?  Yeah, we don’t WTF, we are bold and say it.

Russ:  Well WWE last week I asked you for one thing.  Keep Bray off my screen until he can finish what he started with sister Abigail.  They couldn’t even do that for me.  So instead we get this twisted Bray who is a monster (I don’t know how that is because I can’t remember the last time he won a match.)  Still the match was decent.  Jordan did a good job with the ankle injury.  They couldn’t replace Jordan with Bray because Bray is just as much a jobber as Jordan is maybe even more so.  Sad, sad day when that is true.  

Keri:  This week Bray was just cannon fodder for the ego stroking that I alluded to earlier. Hell, so was Jason Jordan if you think about it. This Jason Jordan storyline is stupid. He looks weak. And isn’t believable at all as a strong singles star. He is the best example of the WWE taking someone who had potential (as part of a tag team) and ruining them. But back to the question at hand, as I said before cannon fodder. This PPV is about setting up our yearly dose of Triple H. Nothing more, nothing less.

Kent:  I could have answered every question so far with an emphatic I don’t know.  Why bring him back for this? Wait one fucking week you fucking imbeciles.  I don’t care if he’s supposed to be punished, then have him in a money match with Finn and job cleanly and quickly.  Whatever.  Don’t fucking do this.  This doesn’t help anybody because now you have to re-raise his value for him to help get Finn over, or did you fucktards in Stamford forget.  FUCK!

  1.  Wow, what an absolutely awful retaliation.  Where in the blue hell was Cena, Randy, Rusev, Aiden, Jinder, and AJ?  Where was HHH?  Why was there no focus on the Uso’s being hesitant to attack Roman by the commentators?  Why didn’t Braun do a powerslam on Shane despite staying in the ring for however long?  Was Bobby Roode even out there?  Where was Bray and Jason Jordan?  Yeah, tackle that whole garbage heap of a segment.

Russ:  In 4 weeks WWE has done something amazing.  They have turned an intriguing story into it’s normal garbage heap of a story.  The was the three weeks prior have played out were so good.  WWE was doing an amazing job of telling this invasion angle and in a segment that was about 15 minutes long they destroyed everything.  That is simply amazing.  Half of the Smackdown men’s team wasn’t there to defend Smackdown’s honor (as if any of them actually give a fuck.)  HHH wasn’t there which completely baffles me.  He joined the RAW team because he thought Angle’s response to the invasion was weak.  So when they finally do go and invade Smackdown… he isn’t there?  He should have been leading the charge, I mean that is why he put himself in the match right?  Fucking stupid!  They built this brand feud up so well and in the last week they totally fuck it up.  Well I guess I shouldn’t be surprised this is what WWE does best.  

Keri:  I don’t know where to start with this segment. It was a mess and that’s kinda how both go home shows were this week and unwatchable mess. I’m not going to waste anymore time on it. Kinda like Creative did when booking this thing.

Kent:  They don’t care anymore.  I guess my long winded question basically sums up how I am feeling.Depressed that THIS was the go home show.

  1.  Charlotte won the women’s belt.  Just what in the fuck is happening?

Russ:  Wow, WWE is so afraid of this PPV failing that they are trying to shake things up to generate interest.  Hey WWE you don’t have to change champions to do that, just give us logical coherent stories!  As for Charlotte winning.  What a fucking waste.  Oooo she won in her hometown.  Ooooo her father came out to celebrate with her!  What a moment!  (that we will forget happened in less than a year.)  The only bright spot in all of this was that Charlotte genuinely looked surprised to see her dad (she had to know he was there)  so I guess her acting isn’t as bad as I thought.  

Keri:  Ok this decision kinda makes sense. Which would you rather see Natty vs Alexa or Charlotte vs Alexa? Charlotte vs Alexa is the better match in the long run. Which is probably why this was booked the way it was. That and Ric was there and you have to be fair to Flair.

Kent:  Donkey raping shit eater.  That’s a South Park reference.

  1.  SamiKO appear to not have any match or storyline heading into this monstrous PPV.  Is this smart or ……well use any adjective you like?

Russ:  Troubling.  With everything that is going on with these two I’m afraid they may just up and quit WWE.  Now I know they both have strong ties to HHH, but HHH doesn’t run the company.  Sami and KO are two of the best performers in the WWE.  The fact that they aren’t on this PPV is embarrassing, but what is worse is that they aren’t taking it lying down (not worse for them, they are protecting themselves, worse for us).  They have been making a stink backstage and “going into business” for themselves to a point where they were told to go home from a tour.  All of this added up equals SamiKO not lasting too much longer.  I hope I’m wrong, because if SamiKO isn’t in the WWE that is one more step closer to being out the door I am too.  

Keri:  Wasteful.  Very very wasteful. I did like how they rolled out of the ring when the Shield got to the ring though. They basically said yeah we are buried enough right now, no point of getting fed to the Roman.

Kent:  Incompetent is too kind, so not going with it.  Unreasonable is what I will use.  I am so glad that they bailed during that awful clusterfuck.  In a way, it was the smartest booked section of the show.  Yup, those 3 seconds were smart.  I want to reiterate, Sami, KO, Jinder, Dolph, and Rusev are not involved in any matches Sunday.  Shane McMahon, John Cena, HHH, and Kurt Angle are.  Bray Wyatt, Elias, Jason jordan, Kane, and Bo Dallas don’t have matches, but HHH, Kurt, Shane, and Cena do.  Gallows and Anderson, The Ascension, Breezeango, the entire 205 division minus Enzo and Kalisto, Mickie James, American Beta, The Bludgeon Brothers, and the Titus Brand don’t have any matches…….fuck.

  1.  Are The Uso’s face?  Are American Omega faces?  Will the Bludgeon Brothers make an impact on the tag division by the end of the year?

Russ:  So they’re American Omega now? (Kent: Sometimes one needs to mock that which another person loves so they can have witty banter back and forth.  We could go back to Beta, but Omega allows Keri more opportunities to shit all over the current WWE product and who am I to deny her that privelege?)  I liked Beta, but this team-up is proving to be superior to American Alpha so I guess.  I will also keep this short like my fellow writers.  Uso’s are tweeners, which fits them.  I’m not sure about AO anymore.  I guess we’ll find out after Survivor Series.  The Bludgeon Brothers making an impact on the Division….. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….no, but seriously HAAHHAHAHAHAHA… oh man, yeah, no they aren’t doing shit.  

Keri:  I will keep this short: 1. Don’t know. 2. Don’t care. Wrong Omega for me to care enough to have an opinion. 3. Are you kidding me? With the current state of tag team booking. That is just too funny.

Kent:  Yes, Yes, No

Bonus Deuce

  1. Rate RAW

Russ:  I thought this was pretty decent for the first 2 hours.  The start of the 3rd hour was ok, but the last 20 minutes was just painful.  Also, why the fuck would WWE end RAW without any invasions and instead end it with a horrendous match instead.  5.3 worst show in awhile, but still better than the crap we have been getting consistently the past 10 months.  

Keri:  How does WWE keep doing this? Having crappy go home shows. Nothing that happened last night made me excited about this Sunday. We had ego stroking and predictability. Not that any of that was surprising to me mind you. Rating: 2.5

Kent:  Nope

  1.  Rate Smackdown

Russ:  What a terrible way to go home for Survivor Series.  Seriously, this show sucked.  Rating: 2.9 (Reverse Deuce!)

Keri:  Another bad go home show. I mean the AJ-Daniel Bryan segment was great but outside of that it was meh. Rating: 2.5

Kent:  Not Doing It

 

Final Thoughts

Russ:  I cannot wait to see this shit show PPV!  In all honesty, I’m sure there will be some fun matches, but they just ruined everything for me on Smackdown.  Plus not to mention all the SamiKO crap that is going down.  I fear that a WWE without those two may be a WWE I don’t want to watch.  

Keri:  7 weeks until Wrestle Kingdom 12. I’m still excited for getting up at 3 am to watch it. I can’t say I would say the same thing for anything WWE related right now well except maybe War Games. I have to admit it. I’m curiously intrigued.

Kent:  Well, still better than Japanese wrestling and indies.  This shit splattered mess is still better.  That’s how far behind the industry is as a whole.  That’s fucking sad.  Why do I keep watching?  I’ll tell you why.  For my hope that this story happens.  We will call it the “True Men of Honor” story.

SamiKO have already planted the seeds.  The one thing that WWE could do right now that would light up the fans is to redo the NWO angle, but this time have it revolve around the indie guys.  The thing with this is that it would last a full year and resolve itself at next year’s Survivor Series.  This story would start with SamiKO, but think about all of the indie guys that WWE has.  Also, don’t involve the women in this.  Think of something good for them, except for Charlotte.  The True Men of Honor really is Shane getting pissed at SamiKO, and they tell Shane to bring his 3 best men, and they will have a 3rd member.  The 3rd member can be a multitude of guys because they can take anybody from NXT with indie ties, or an AJ, but the best choice is Daniel Bryan.  He hits some moves and gets the win over Shane, AJ, and Randy/Cena/Shinsuke whoever.  Daniel does some Yes kicks on Shane and pins him so Daniel never takes a bump.  Daniel isn’t required to wrestle this whole time.  If he gets permission, I’d still limit it.  This will just be the beginning.  On RAW, think about all of the guys who could be in the group: Cesaro, Dean, Seth Joe are the 4 big ones.  Well, I would bring somebody like Khassius Ohno up from NXT for Cesaro to reform that greatness.  This group would take out everyone, well except you need to have a Sting.  Interestingly enough, this guy has a finisher similar to Sting.  Make it Bray Wyatt.  Hell, you can have The Balor Club thing happen, only for Cody to return and steal Gallows and Anderson back.  Maybe Finn recruits AJ to even the odds.  At it’s crux, you must use Roman, Cena, Randy, The Miz, Brock, and Braun to get this over.  The night after Wrestlemania, when the WWE guys have triumphed and HHH is bragging about winning the war, the True Men Of Honor have a surprise to even the odds.  Cult of Personality hits and CM Punk comes out and hits HHH.  Make this a nice slow burn and you have a masterpiece that sells itself.  You can still bring your people up from NXT, like Drew and the new trio with the ROH guys, Roderick Strong, Aleistar Black, etc.  This angle prints money and finally allows some guys to get over, mainly Sami, Cesaro, and Bray.  Cody would also be a major player in this and I think Finn, AJ, and Shinsuke would too.  I know this will NEVER happen, and they would rather give us this week’s nonsense, but a man can dream.

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Tales from the Plunderbund Consortium – Chapter Eleven

This week, Hookeri is back and talking to rocks, and some of the others are checking out coin purses.  It’s sure to be another excellent chapter in the series that just keeps on keeping on.  Since this is Chapter Eleven, I decided to celebrate Stranger Things season 2 with this video of a fan favorite, Miss Eleven.

Tales from the Plunderbund Consortium

Dark Sun Campaign – Chapter 10

Having driven off the Roc, the adventurers entered the ruined city outpost of Celik.  The road led directly into a bazaar frequented by a number of shop owners and adventurers with licenses to sell goods and/or raid the ruins of Celik from House Maraneth.

Hookeri broke off from the group in order to find Dorlar, owner of the talking rock, while Alexa and Pane-Pan went drinking at one of the nearby tents.  Illana, ever the opportunist, scanned the bazaar for any celebrating adventurers who looked both drunk and weighed down with coin from their recent tomb raidings.

Illana soon spied a drunk young man stumbling away from a drinking tent.  Not trusting her own abilities, for some reason she thought it would be a good idea to bring Dimebag and Coraanu in on the action.  As part of the plan, Dimebag sold the young man some drugs so that he would pull out his coin purse, Coraanu then distracted him, and Illana then went to swipe the coin purse during the distraction.  Unfortunately for Illana she fumbled the attempt and the drunk young man called out to his friends.

Having no respect for humanoid life, Illana cast Disguise Self and made herself look like the mark.  Then, when the friends arrived, she took advantage of their confusion to cast Thunderwave, destroying a number of shop tents and injuring numerous bystanders (luckily in Athas all demihumans are strong enough to eat a Thunderwave without dying).  Illana and Dimebag then ran from town (after Dimebag swiped the original mark’s coinpurse).

For some reason, Coraanu stayed in the center of town to greet the advancing House Maraneth Half-Giant platoon that had been called out to stop the violence.  After Coraanu was identified as one of the perpetrators, a representative of House Maraneth told Coraanu that the punishment for this transgression was to pay back double what was stolen or exile.  As the mark’s friends claimed that mark had at least 2 gold on him, Coraanu would have had to pay 4 gold in restitution.  Coraanu chose exile instead.

As he was not yet banished from town, Hookeri began asking around for the talking rock’s owner, Darlar.  Unfortunately, Hookeri soon learned that a few months ago Darlar went on a ruins delve and never returned.  He is presumed dead by the populace of Celik.

It was at this point that Hookeri decided to sit down with and have a one-on-one conversation with the talking rock.  The rock revealed that his name was, “The Rock of Getting Eaten by a Roc”.  Darlar was apparently a powerful psion who had used his powers to train a Roc to serve as a flying mount.  He and his wife lived in Tyr.  After learning of Darlar’s “pet,” a Templar demanded that the giant bird be turned over to the state.  Refusing, a battle ensued and Darlar’s wife died in the conflict.

Grief stricken, Darlar fled to Celik and began constructing the psionic rock.  It was Darlar’s intention that the rock fall into the hands of the Templar, at which point the Templar would be eaten by the Roc.  The plan was a success.  Unfortunately, being a sentient rock with no other directive, the rock began seeking out individuals to bring him back to his master in Celik.  Travel was slow as the new owners kept getting eaten by the Roc.  With his master presumably gone, the rock and Hookeri agreed to travel together in the hopes of breaking the getting eaten curse and possibly finding the rock a new purpose in life.  The rock suggested starting their search in Darlar’s old home in Tyr.

As half the party was no longer welcome in Celik, the party stocked up on supplies at the local elven district of Celik and continued on toe Kalidnay.  During the eight day journey they were not attacked by any foes, however, they did have a few unnerving experiences.  First, they came across a dead litter of newborn Bazraags, which is considered to be a particularly bad omen.  While nobody noticed it at the time, their leathery skin was the same color as Dimebag’s prized jacket.

A few days later, the group entered a dark and blighted section of the desert.  As Dimebag went to comment on the grim-dark world around them, he found that his words were coming out of Illana’s body.  Illana went to investigate, and found that her mind was now in Dimebag’s body.  She opined that they were in a cursed section of the desert and that they need to leave the area in order to get back into their own bodies.

While traveling out of the area Dimebag (as Illana) decided he (she?) wanted to try casting magic.  Despite Illana’s (as Dimebag) warnings, Dimebag-llana cast a firebolt that promptly went out of control and resulted in Illana’s body taking some significant burns.  Angry, Illana injected Dimebag’s body with a variety of his high grade drugs.

After leaving the cursed land the adventurers traveled a bit farther and arrived at Kaliday just before sunrise.  At that time they saw the city ruins covered in a fine white mist that retreated and disappeared as the sun rose behind them.  Knowing they were on a time limit, they headed to the city and, using their map provided by Maraquen along with Illana’s knowledge of the location of the Vault of Kalidnay, quickly found the location of the Vault in the palace district.

Unfortunately, this had now become the hunting grounds of an Alpha Tembo.  Luckily, it has no ranged attacks and bad saves so Illana was able to levitate it and the other adventurers just range attacked it to death.

Entering the Vault, the party found it to be pitch black.  While many in the group stayed back with Alexa and her torch, others chose to scout ahead relying solely on their darkvision.  After unlocking and de-trapping the door to a nearby room, the party found themselves engaged in a fierce battle with two air elemental Vault guardians.  The party was battered and blown about but eventually came out victorious.

The room, however, did not reward the group for their efforts.  The only notable things in the room were an empty pit and several wax blobs scattered throughout the room.  Frustrated by this lack of loot, Dimebag had Coraanu unlock the other door in this room and then he went off scouting ahead, followed closely by Illana.

As Dimebag was relying solely on his darkvision to investigage, he missed the pressure plate to the trap set above.  Immediately, a two-ton block of stone fell from the ceiling.  Still greatly inhibited by the large quantity of drugs injected into his system when Illana was in control of his body, Dimebag was unable to react in time.  The stone crushed Dimebag’s body into a fine paste much the way Dimebag would use mortar and pestle to create his drugs.

Reacting to this tragedy the only way she knew how, Illana cast levitate on the rock and looted Dimebag’s body.

At the same time, another dwarf familiar to the party also entered the Vault.  As the life was crushed out of Dimebag’s body, a cold chill passed through the dwarf’s body.  Was he too late, or had the Earth drawn him to this place at exactly the right time?


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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:3 “Monsters”

Well here we are with our 3rd straight action packed episode of the season.  Guys, you can slow it down and give us some Eugene and Carl.  That would be nice.  Eric and Morales got got this week and Morgan is going a little crazy.  Actually, this is a great song.  Listen to it while you read.  Any comments in bold are made by Kent.

The 9

  1.  Did you feel that Eric was more than just a background character?

Briana:  Not really, no. He was just a way to give Aaron’s character more depth.

Bob:  Appeasement to culture. (It actually amazed me how much pandering the comic does for this exact reason.)

Bitty:  I think Eric’s character was created to invest more in Aaron. Over the past 2 Seasons WD has tried to make us connect to Aaron. Honestly For Me i couldn’t even remember his name until last year. Now i see Aaron as human and compassionate, I think we’ll see a big Aaron arc because of the loss of Eric.  (You and Briana both hit it pretty solidly.  He was an Aaron enhancement character.  In the world of pro wrestling, Eric was the Brooklyn Brawler.  They use enhancement talents to take all of the moves and make another person look dominant, or in Aaron’s case, it gave him a bit more of a dynamic.  Plus in some ways it would be kinda weird to have all of these gay characters on the show and have none of them hook up.  Now if we can get Rosita and Sherry together…)

Brian:  I believe that they are attempting to make us like the band of murders. And if Aaron truly loved him he would not have allowed him to join the herd. And that may come back to bite him in the ass… hopefully literally lol  (Brian is pro ass biting.  We haven’t seen that in the show yet…..so maybe he’s on to something.)

Kristi:  He was always a background character for me.

Raylene:  No Eric was precisely that a background character. He wasn’t given much of a story other than being a househusband to Aaron. Poor character development on TWD part  (Very poor.  He was sadly better on Talking Dead than he ever was on TWD.)

Kent:  I felt that he was more of a character in the comics.  I didn’t really like Eric on the show and it was because he was rarely given much to do.  I would consider him more of a background character than a Tobin or Dianne.

 

  1.  Will Aaron raise Gracie?  If not him, then who?

Briana:  I didn’t get the impression he wanted to keep her, just that he wanted to get her to the Hilltop.  (Alas, I think you and Bitty are probably closest to the right answer in that he gets her there and she is perhaps never mentioned again.  I will say this, if I could get 10 – 1 odds on Gregory stealing Gracie and bringing her back to Sanctuary to get in Negan’s good graces, I would totally toss $10 down.)

Bob:  It’s going to have to be Aaron. (It appears that we are in the minority here in this belief.  Just keep it in mind so when it happens, we can do victory dance together.)

Bitty:  Hopefully Gracie will fall to the background at the Hilltop. Someone there will raise her. (Gracie will make for a wonderful background character.  Probably better than Eric.)

Brian:  Carol and Morgan raise grace as their own. After Carol uses her feminine powers to set him straight.  (I really do like this idea, but I fear for Morgan, so I am still on the Carol and Daryl train while also acknowledging the moment that Carol and Daryl decide to be romantic, one has to die that season.)

Kristi:  I don’t think so. It seems like he’s just at a loss and wants to help in some way. Carol or Maggie will probably raise her. (As long as Carol teaches her how to cook and tell scary stories, I am sold.)

Raylene:  I can see perhaps Maggie and Enid raising her. Although for a long shot Daryl getting her he did bond with Little Ass Kicker and was very invested in finding Sophia  (The Daryl thing would be nice in it’s own way.  He really took to Judith and him and Aaron have ate together.  Just sayin’.)

Kent:  I can come up with scenarios in which Enid, Carol, Tara, or a lesser known character takes her, but I think it’s going to be Aaron, and perhaps another gentleman down the line with magnificent hair and dreamy eyes…..Eugene.  OK, I went too far. (You went too far.)

 

  1.  Do you think that Rick and Daryl will start conflicting over Daryl’s new ways of shooting first and asking questions later?

Briana:  No. Darryl was right to shoot him and his explanation made perfect sense. This is what they came to do and Moralez would have killed them no problem if he’d not been told to spare Rick.  (I would have liked to know if Moralez would have still bored Rick with his 3 page monologue if he wasn’t waiting for backup.  These are questions I want answered.)

Bob:  Daryl killed the guy for having another gun I thought…?  (Nah, you’re right.)

Bitty:  Yes. You could feel the setup for that in their final scene. I’m dreading their demise. (Demise?  At worst they will have a heart to heart and get interrupted by something inane.)

Brian:  Rick is starting to realize that he is killing his former business associates. And Darryl is a junkie who is trying to keep his drug use at bay by killing those associated with his old dealers.  (THis all really makes a lot of sense week to week.  I love the story arc.)

Kristi:  No. Darryl is taking care of business.  Kill now, worry later. They have seen so many people turning on them. Why take the chance?  (There is zero reason to take the chance, but there’s always going to be the question of where’s the line.  The reality is that there is no line.  No true moral compass exists.  They just bring us back to that every season for conflict amongst characters.  This has been happening every single season, and I bet if you spend 3 minutes thinking, you can remember them.  Off the top of my head: 1 the CDC should I stay or should I go decision, 2 Dale & Shane with Randall, 3 What to do with the prisoners, 4 Rick trying to teach Carl when it’s ok to kill, 5 Glenn and Rick in Noah’s neighborhood, 6 Rick and Porch Dick, 7 Oceanside.)

Raylene:  Perhaps once the war is over then Rick will start to question Daryl’s motive but because of Daryl being held hostage by Negan he wants all Saviors to pay  (I don’t know if Rick can be the one who questions it.  That’s the problem.  Maggie sure as hell won’t.  This is kind of a bad story idea I think.  Hopefully they avoid this.)

Kent:  It seems like it is building up with all the things that Rick is seeing and doing.  There was the guy that Carl left food for, Gracie and then Morales, and I am sure that I am missing others.  Still, it’s war and Daryl is doing the smart thing.  This will be a discussion at some point, but they do something similar seemingly every season.  Some years Rick is overly sensitive and then Daryl is, and in season 10 Negan will be the hooker with a heart of gold.   Yeah.

 

  1.  Did Morales’ monologue alter your opinion or viewpoint of the Saviors?

Briana:  No. I can understand the perspective is different for them and that they think they’re justified in what they have to do to survive. But perception doesn’t always make you right. In the end, they’re forcing people to starve and struggle for their own benefit. That’s not ok. (It is kinda silly that we don’t get a good perspective of what other groups have done to survive aside from from bits and pieces.  They have made sure to tell us a lot about the Saviors though just so there is a big neon flashing sign above their HQ saying “These are the bad guys!!!!  All groups have done some less than desirable things I would speculate, although the Kingdom seemed to do well.)

Bob:  Not in the least.  I just don’t like Negan, the folks are probably okay.  (Is it because of Negan’s posture?)

Bitty: No. kill them all. I wish we heard more bout his time after leaving the original group. (Yes, that’s all I wanted from him is his travels from season 1 to now.  We all get the Savior’s perspectives.  Whether we agree or not is always an entirely different thing.  I would have enjoyed the opening video being of Morales’ voyage.  I could have done with one less gun fight.

Brian:  not at all. The saviors are taking people in and as long as they follow the rules they are allowed to create a home and have a successful life. Unlike the band of killers that is wandering through the countryside murdering anyone who is unlucky enough to cross their paths.  (I wish TWD would have done a fake 30 infomercial to advertise this season with Negan walking us through Sanctuary and talking about how he takes people in, like those feed the starving kids or any of the sad Sarah Mcla…… whatever her name is with the pet commercials.  That would have been such a good advertisement.)

Raylene: No that didn’t change my opinion of them but they are starting to show case that some of the Saviors are there because the choice was taken out of their hands it’s either join or die  (In a lot of cases, whether it’s said or not, whether the Saviors tell a person or group that, it is often join a group or die.  Just because they are bold enough to say it, I don’t think that’s a horrible thing.)

Kent:  No, it certainly didn’t.  I know that I am in the minority, but I still don’t think of the Saviors as the bad guys when looking at it objectively.  If anything, it further cemented my belief that if this show started off with Negan and showed us his journeys, he would be held in the same esteem as Heisenberg from Breaking Bad.

 

  1.  In the grand scheme of The Walking Dead, which character had the bigger impact: Morales or Eric?

Briana:  Morales was definitely more intense in the moment for us viewers but for the basis of the show, it would be Eric. The grief Aaron will deal with and the group’s grief. Morales was just there for a minute and then he wasn’t. (Aaron’s character arc moving forward will really be a testament to which answer is right here.  As we know, some deaths are more meaningful than others.  Poor TDog.)

Bob:  Eric.  He had air time on the show.  And culture. (Pop culture!)

Bitty: Eric had a bigger impact. Not during his life but during his death. (What a terribly lame ass death for Eric though.  He got the shaft and then he got screwed over in his zombie scene.)

Brian:  Morales. He got to Rick and showed him the errors of his ways. Eric was just a ploy to get us to think that the ricktards are kinda human. And if they truly liked Eric they would not of let him wander off. In the past the characters who meant something were not allowed to wander off.  (Okay, that is a huge point.  Nobody who mattered has ever been left to wander once bitten.  I was actually surprised it took this long for somebody to say it.)

Kristi:  Morales. Eric was boring for me. (He never got a chance to shine and his personality was laid back and whiny.)

Raylene: I have to say Morales because he had more character development in the first episodes of the show (Morales was actually kinda cool and a bad ass fighter in the few scenes we got of him.)

Kent:  Morales had more dialogue, but fueled nobody.  Eric’s death has unleashed Aaron to hopefully become the great character that he is in the comics.  Aside from Eugene, I would say that Aaron may also get a good strong story.

 

  1.  Should Maggie have let Gregory back in Hillside?

Briana:  I wouldn’t have! I’d have let him stay out and fend for himself or go back to his buddy Negan. (Would that have been better than keeping him in your line of sight?)

Bob:  Nope.

Bitty: Yes. He’s just a worm who Maggie may be able to use as a smoke screen in the future. (I don’t mind this theory.)

Brian: Yes he will be able to liberate the POWS and allow the return to their home after eradicating the evil enemy that is occupying their home.(We don’t see the word eradicating enough in this blog.  Thank you for bringing it back.)

Kristi:  No. I just cant stand him and sure as hell don’t trust him!  (boooo)    (haha)

Raylene:  Yes Maggie will make some use out of him (Like having Gregory and Jesus do entertaining 2 man shows for the Hilltop?  Sold!)

Kent:  Yes!  Gregory is surely sorry and he sounded contrite.  Let’s face it, Gregory is one of the 2-3 funniest guys on the show along with Simon and Eugene and sometimes Negan.  We NEED Gregory around as much as possible.  Gregory made me giggle a lot Sunday night and I need some levity in the midst of all the wasted ammo.  In all seriousness, how did nobody suggest that she take him in to kill him?  He’s a huge threat inside and out, so just get rid of him before he does more damage.)

 

  1.  Were you hoping that Morgan would kill the Saviors that escaped?

Briana:  Yes!! Jesus is getting on my nerves the last couple episodes. I mean that was a kick ass fight scene but Morgan was right. These people aren’t going to just assimilate to their society after they’re no longer prisoners.  (In theory I would say that your right (and I did accidentally type write the first time), but my fear is that you will take umbrage with what happens on the show in a very unrealistic way.  Hopefully I am wrong.)

Bob:  It seemed like he was going to, but I don’t like it when he is nuts.  (I love how Lennie does the performance, but I do like Morgan more when he is grounded because I feel like it makes him tougher.)

Bitty:  yes that was my thought however the fight between Jesus and Morgan was the best match up in a long time. (So I just sat here thinking about best fights in the show’s history and am kicking myself in the nuts for not asking everybody’s favorite fight scene in the show’s history.  Probably next week I will ask.  I am trying to think of good ones and the best I can think of is Rick vs Shane season 2, Rick vs Porch Dick Season 5 or 6, Glenn vs Nicholas, Michonne vs Governor, and I feel like Merle was in one or 2.  Super Daryl doesn’t count.  Also, Tyrese vs Rick and Daryl simultaneous!)

Brian:  No and I’m glad that our turncoat Jesus beat him down to save the lives of those pour souls. That are being held against their will.  (Right?  Nobody is thinking about all the families that are being torn apart by this.)

Kristi:  Yes! Do away with them. They are just going to end up being a bigger problem in the future. (You may not like where this is going.  Sheer speculation on my part.)

Raylene:  I wanted him to at least get Jared because let’s face it he’s going to cause trouble sooner than later  (I think that if they executed Jared, it would have helped keep everybody else in line.  But no, I do not want Jared dead.  He is one of the best characters on the show.)

Kent:  Absolutely!  I love the killing machine version of Morgan.  Even more so, crazy Morgan is amazing.  He snaps, and I truly admire the job that Lennie James has done with this character.  Keeping those Saviors alive is not a bargaining chip, it’s simply a liability.  I understand the endgame for when the war is over, but I wouldn’t risk it.

 

  1.  Is there any benefit to keep the Saviors alive, per Jesus’ plan?

Briana:  I mean maybe if Negan wants to make a deal for hostages but even that isn’t a big enough benefit to actually keep them. I say they went to kill them all, kill them all!  (That’s something that I feel is overlooked.  Negan would make some kind of deal to get his men back because they are the backbone of his operation, especially with so many casualties.  I hope that this gets brought up in show.  I doubt it will.)

 

Bob: 

  (Yeah, nobody is topping that response.  Fantastic.)

Bitty:  If i try to see the war from Jesus’ viewpoint maybe some of the Saviors want out. Maybe they can be used for good in the future. (Really, that is the whole crux of Jesus’ beliefs is that some people had no choice and would like to have one when ALL OUT WAR is finished.  You’re welcome AMC.)

Brian:  Of course Jesus is a plant by Negan to spy on the Ricktards. He is helping save the saviors. (I’ve got to say, that would be a stroke of genius.  A stroke of Jesus’ lovely hair.)

Raylene:  Perhaps the ones that were just the workers not the henchmen   (Soooo, how are you going to find out who was who?  Are they going to confess?)

Kent:  Yeah, so that they have characters to run the Sanctuary after the war. That’s the real answer.  In the moment, hell no.

 

  1.  Was Ezekiel too arrogant or cocky for his own good?

Briana:  Maybe but I like to think he was more just impossibly optimistic rather than cocky. It made me so sad watching all of his men jump on top of him, taking his bullets. He definitely celebrated too soon. They should have checked the building before hanging around as if it were over.  (I especially didn’t enjoy seeing the ginger dude die.  This is becoming a serious epidemic of back to back seasons with a ginger death.)

Bob:  Yeah, he rode that wave a little high.  “Not lose one of our ranks.”  Stick to victory – because by saying you won’t lose anyone, that means you lost and the mentality of your group.. Or the morale will decline.  (This felt like me saying “Not one single goal allowed to the Disciples, let’s shut em out 92-0.  Then The Disciples score the first goal and I hang my head in shame.)

Bitty: No. I don’t think he was being arrogant at all. He was playing a role. He was being a leader. He was acting. However everyone has a breaking point. (Yeah, I do believe that he was doing what he could and thought was right, especially in his role.  People can easily forget that this was just a dude who worked at a zoo a few years ago.)

Brian:  The “King” is leading his flock to slaughter. His gut knows that life was simpler when they were helping Negan and the Saviors lead a peaceful life. Now he’s in way over his head and is way past the point of no return.  (Let’s consider that.  It did seem like life was way more peaceful prior to Carol and Morgan showing up.  Is Carol playing the role of Yoko here?)

Kristi:  Nope. He has a tiger and is considered a King! He should be arrogant. (I was getting worried as you hadn’t mentioned Shiva all blog.)

Raylene:  No he was neither just very inexperienced in fighting with the Saviors  (He doesn’t strike me as a guy that ever got into more than one fight his whole life prior to the ZA.)

Kent:  Yeah, definitely arrogant and complacent. The rules of war and horror are very similar. Boasting in any capacity will get you got. Still, I love to hear him. Carol is still the smart one.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Pick a character that doesn’t get much screen time that you would like to see or hear more of this season.

Briana:  Negan! It irritates me that he hides during most of the crazy shit that goes on! Come out coward and fight like the man you pretend to be! Lol!  (I’m all for more Negan time. I do like him though, so for me it’s without the negative connotations.)

Bob:  Simon.(YES!  We all deserve a bit more of Simon.)

Bitty:  Oceanside!! (I may have said this just to humor a certain Kball)  (Well since you did this with your boob out, I will let this slide.  Bonus points of breastfeeding!  I also dread going back to Oceanside, but I feel that it is inevitable.)

Brian:  Eugene… he knows….. he knows what Rick truly is…. Abraham told him during their many lonely nights together… he knows all…. (I agree that Eugene reads everyone incredibly well.  While I did say that this would be his season, it may not be in effect until the second half.  We need more of the Tennessee Tophat!)

Kristi:  Eugene and Negan. This season is about them taking him down. I would like to see more of them. (So you don’t want 4 more hours of gun fights?  AMC disagrees!)

Raylene:  Jadis and her people  (Well if we don’t get more of her, you can always watch The Badlands again, or The Woman, or The Exam, or I think she was in Tales From Halloween.  I really like her as an actress.)

Kent:  Dianne is my answer here.  I could go for more insight on Gavin, Tobin, and Arat.

 

  1.  With 13 remaining episodes of this season, how many of them will be these episodes with lots of gun fights that resemble an action flick?

Briana:  I would say at least ⅓-½ of them! They’ve been hyping this up to be the most action packed season in a long time so I’m holding them to it! Lol!  (It appears that they don’t intend on letting you down.)

Bob:  Ugh, too many…..  (Seriously, doesn’t it feel like the first 3 episodes has just been one long action film and not much else?)

Bitty:  We will have action episodes thru mid season. (That makes me a saaaad panda.)

Brian:  I hope that it continues to be exciting but they need to be more realistic. The gun fights seem to be designed by the left wing that believes semi automatic firearms never need reloading and each magazine holds an infinite amount of bullets. (Say what???  This is nothing new.  I present to you this gem.)

Kristi:  8. Wishful thinking here. (Yike, that worries me.)

Raylene:  4 (4 is not your friend.)

Kent:  5 is my answer.

Final Thoughts

I found this at IMDB.com.

Briana:  What’s happening with Negan and Gabriel!!!??? It’s making me crazy that they left it the way they did and haven’t gone back yet! Also, I hope Morgan doesn’t go too far! I’m pretty concerned for his well being at this point and if he wanders off for too long, he may not come back.

Bitty:  Favorite Quotes of the episode:

“Officer Friendly died right along with them” Morales

“We’re the same. Everybody turns” -Morgan

“I did not eat those pancakes!”-Gregory (Gregory was so great in that bit of his.  Also always glad to hear somebody say Officer Friendly.  I miss Merle.)

Brian:  Here are my thoughts.. Negan was distributing the blue meth on the east coast. Rick and Abraham were part of the distribution network. Ezekiel was also part the network selling to the theatre crowd and stealing animal tranquilizers. Jesus is an undercover agent who worked with the DEA to bring down Negan but has grown to realize that Negan has provided order during the chaos and is a respectable leader. Now this blue meth is the secret to stopping this virus. So the fight is on to find Jesse to save the planet. (Wasn’t Rick already boning Jessie?  Oh, wrong Jesse.  Nope, your story checks out.)

Raylene:  Where the hell is Eugene?

Kent:  I want to see Gregory with his own show or do a spin off. Something. The guy is just so damn charismatic. He’d be the perfect wrestling manager for the bad guys.  Starting next week, I hope to be getting questions from the contributors of this blog to add some dimensions to what you read. Also, if you go to IMDB, I find the pics that they are using for Ep 4 and 5 to be a tad odd.  Go there at your own risk, but it is kinda odd to say the least.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/episodes?season=8

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American Horror Story Cult – S:7 Ep:10 “Charles (Manson) in Charge”

Melanie and Kent are back to give their thoughts on this week’s 10th episode of AHS Cult.  We couldn’t be happier that Tuesday will be the season finale.  To celebrate, Melanie and Kent will be doing a podcast on Thursday.

  1.  What did you think of the opening segment?  That would be Kai with WInter and her 2 friends, political talk, the slap?

Melanie:  The slap was such an extreme response, but it started the acceptance of violence for Kai.

Kent:  From a guy’s perspective, this is the sort of thing that causes guys to be mean or disrespectful to women.  It’s not the norm, but when stuff like this happens, it really leaves a sour taste in a guy’s mouth.  Granted, he shouldn’t have slapped her, but she shouldn’t have antagonized and been so rude and disrespectful in the first place.  The whole cause and effect.  I think a bit of truth has been lost in today’s society that most violence is born out or rudeness, mean, disrespectful act.  The violent one is always the guilty one, but it typically only grows to that point because somebody else started the provocation, but then they become a victim, and that’s bullshit.

  1.  Did Bebe Babbitt (Frances Conroy) do more harm than good in her big feminist speech in the beginning?  Is she partly responsible for Kai’s demeanor and actions towards women?  Also, how great was that final showdown between Kai/Charles and Bebe?

Melanie:  Ugh, her character was the worst. She was a terrible anger management counselor. I actually laughed at the ending of the confrontation. I did appreciate Frances Conroy.

Kent:  Bebe was such a dumbass in thinking that Kai was the correct vessel to spread her hateful rhetoric.  She’s a big reason along with his parents and even the females that Winter associated with.  There’s a lot of guys out there with similar thoughts as Kai in regards to women, whether it’s spoken out loud or not, and probably there’s a lot of women that would love to see Bebe’s vision become a reality.  As far as the last showdown, I thought it was the highlight of the episode.  It was really fun and I always love Frances Conroy’s performances.  She is such a marvelous talent.

  1.  Did you enjoy Kai’s retelling of Charles Manson and the family?  Do you enjoy how they are re-using actors from the show in these backstories?

Melanie:  I did. Fast paced, lots of information. I like seeing the actors as other characters.

Kent:  This actually has been the saving grace of this season for me.  I adore the retellings with the same actors.  It’s charming, it’s witty, it’s something very Ryan Murphy.  For all the criticism that I launch his way, when he does nail something, it’s really fucking good.  This stuff is the funny things that have kept me going through this nonsense.

  1.  Has Kai lost his damn mind?

Melanie:  He lost his mind when he put his dead parents in a room and locked the door.

Kent:  I don’t think that he has lost his mind.  His actions are those of somebody being manipulated.  Simple as that.  This isn’t AHS Cult, it’s AHS Manipulation, but that doesn’t have as good of a sound.

  1.  We saw Susan paint “Pig” on the door which is a call back to previous seasons.  We also had Twisty.  Have there been any other obvious callbacks to other seasons?

Melanie:  The killing? I kid I kid.

Kent:  I haven’t gone online to check for other references to the past, but man, I feel at a total loss here.  I am sure I missed some, but I love the tiny callbacks to season’s past.

  1.  Were you sad to see Gary get got?

Melanie:  No, he was awful.

Kent:  Yes I certainly was.  As silly of a role as Gay had, I like Chaz as an actor and really loved his role this year.  His triumphant sawing off of his arm is definitely a cheesy highlight of the season.

  1.  Do you consider Winter a victim?

Melanie:  No. She was an active participant.

Kent:  No, I simply consider her weak minded and she got in too deep.  She got what she realistically deserved.  Not a victim in my mind.  Had she simply had some faith in herself, she would have been fine early on.

  1.  Why is Beverley so loyal to the cause….or is she?

Melanie:  She was, but when she saw it was anti women it was fuck no.

Kent:  I feel like I am wrong on Beverley every time I open my stupid mouth.  In my mind, I think that it could all just be a ploy, but then it will end up being that she is all in on this.  If I go the opposite way, it will be a ploy.  I am saying that she is in on the downfall of Kai along with Ally.

  1.  Is there anything that this show can do, in your estimation, that would prevent this season from being the worst one yet for AHS?

Melanie:  They could save it by showing the ending from Murder House. (Kent: Seriously, that would be amazing.  I would applaud this!)

Kent:  Aliens?  I’m kidding….kinda.   No, there’s nothing that’s going to prevent this from being the worst yet.  What’s done is done.  Give me 92 hot nude females in the season finale and I will rethink that.  The ball is in your court Murphy.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Make any bold predictions for the season finale.

Melanie:  They drink the koolaide. The end!!!!

Kent:  Beverley kills Ally in the end and comes off like the Kayser Soze of this whole thing.

  1.  What’s your favorite nickname of Kai’s followers?  There’s Speed Wagon, Sandstorm, Tripod, Pus Bucket, Heart Attack, Gutterball

Melanie:  Wine Guzzler is my fave, oh wait… (Kent: Is he the really jacked guy in the tank top?  He looks like a Wine Guzzler.)

Kent:  Gutterball is pretty great to me.  I know Speed Wagon is the fan favorite, and that’s why he gets his name said more frequently.  I I get it.

Were you Kentertained by this episode?

Melanie:  Not really…Manson retelling was pretty good.

Kent:  Sure, I liked the retelling of Manson, all of Bebe’s scenes, Gary’s death, Winter’s death, and the shaving scene.  More to like than dislike this episode.

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The Wrestling 9 Deuce – November 6 & 7, 2017 – AJ & Sheasaro Win belts! Edition

Titles changed hands this week as AJ STyles pinned Jinder and Sheasaro beat the whole Shield.  On top of that Elias and Jason had a guitar on a pole math, New Day invaded RAW, Alicia chose Sasha to the team, Finn and Joe fought and then were both added to the team along with Kurt’s son, while usev lost in his bid to make Team Smackdown and the very next day day Cena made the team by doing NOTHING!  Sami and KO were sent home from the tour, Paige never showed up, James Storm has left TNA, and Keri hates WWE so she is off touching butts with JerichOmega, better known as the Asian Persuasian. Yes, I know that isn’t spelled properly as it has Asian in it twice, so suck a dick!  We talked about this, plus much more on this week’s episode of Are You Not Kentertained which you can also subscribe to on iTunes.

 

The 9

  1.  Alicia Fox has named Asuka as her 3rd member of her Survivor Series team.  Is there any way in hell that Asuka doesn’t win this match?  Also, Sasha is now the 4th member, but Bayley didn’t get the invite.

Russ:  With Asuka on the team it now seems like it is inevitable that the RAW women are winning this thing.  I mean unless WWE wants to ruin whatever special thing they have going for Asuka, I wouldn’t put it past them.  I’m willing to bet Asuka will be the Sole Survivor.  As for Bayley not getting invited to be on team RAW, I like it.  That is good storytelling.  How will Bayley respond to this snub?  I kind of want to see how this will play out.  

Kent:  Well, the men’s RAW team seems destined to lose to force the Kurt Angle vs HHH storyline.  So the RAW women will win.  As for Asuka, they could theoretically be cool and have her get DQ’d for whooping on somebody or getting counted out trying to kill James Ellsworth.  That would have happened 25 years ago, but not in today’s WWE.  Also, I love the tension between Bayley and Sasha and I still think it explodes at the Royal Rumble when Bayley eliminates Sasha.

  1.  Should the Elias and Jason Jordan feud end now that we have had the guitar on a pole match?

Russ:  Please yes.  This has been a good little feud that has run its course.  Jordan has proven he can go in the ring, but he sucks as a face.  He needs to go heel in the worst way.  I think that will help his character building.  If it doesn’t then I’m done with him.  Elias was great throughout this thing and he deserves to get a push into the upper mid card.  Plus the match was just stupid.

Kent:  It should keep going, and I will tell you why.  This feud is the most must see thing on WWE because the commentary team goes out of it’s way to make it special.  Booker doesn’t like Jason Jordan’s special treatment.  Corey and Cole are great with Elias.  More importantly,  neither guy has an obvious next match up.

  1.  Do you agree with the decision to not have Roman Reigns, Bray Wyatt, or Kane on the RAW team?  Also add thoughts on Joe, Finn, and Jordan being added to the team.

Russ:  I agree with the decision to not have Roman Reigns.  See my next response for the answer to that point.  As for Bray and Kane.  I don’t want them ruining my Sister Abigail moment, so keep him off tv until after Survivor Series.  Kane, I guess he would have been a better choice than Jordan.  However, I’m all for Joe and Finn being on the team.  Their match was fantastic on RAW.   The kind of fantastic that I want to see more and hope that a feud is brewing.  They were a great tag team on NXT so I think that will play a little bit into this.  (When did Joe and Finn tag together in NXT?  Russ, have you been drinking? Russ: Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic. Kent: Ohhhh yeah.)  Jordan joining smells like a heel turn is a coming.  

Kent:  It would have perhaps made more sense to do a battle royale to determine the 5th member, but Kurt’s favortism is going to lead to a big story I think with HHH leading Jason to the dark side.  Actually, I am okay with it because Smackdown’s team sucks in comparison.

  1.  Why did the WWE give Sheasaro the belts back?

Russ:  Alright, so the reason they gave Sheasaro the belts completely revolves around the fact that Roman will be back next week.  With Roman coming back before Survivor Series I have a feeling we will be getting The Shield reunion at Survivor Series.  Who will be their opponents?  Well the guys who cost Rollins and Ambrose the belts.  The New Day of course.  I am totally for this.  The New Day are opponents who The Shield should be reuniting to fight against.  That should be a great match.  

Kent:  I do like Russ’ idea, and it would give New Day something to do.  There, I gave a compliment.  Can we get ZaynKO vs Uso’s next week and make my dream a reality?

  1.  What should the WWE do with the UK Championship division?

Russ:  This is a tough question.  I would say give them an hour show on the Network, but I can’t say that I would actually sit down and watch it.  I already watch 5 – 10 hours of wrestling a week.  I don’t want to add another hour to that.  Still I think that may be the best direction for them.  It wouldn’t be too costly, because they can package is as an indy type show and have the matches in smaller venues.  Maybe tape two shows from one night.  I mean I like a lot of the guys in the UK division.  So I would like to have a chance to see more of them.  

Kent:  Do an hour long weekly show on the Network and air it Thursday’s.  Pre-record 4 episodes at a time.  Then have 2 UK Division PPV’s a year, especially have one when WWE goes to the UK, duhhhh.  This is kinda simple.  Much like NXT, I would watch this.  I still struggle with watching 205.

  1.  AJ Styles defeated Jinder for the Blue Belt.  1) Did WWE panic here by taking Jinder out of the match with Brock? 2) Did Jinder’s run as world champ accomplish anything positive in your opinion?

Russ:   First, let me get this off my chest:  Jinder was finally hindered by AJ Styles.  Okay, now I want to start by saying that this match was actually good.  It was Jinder’s best match since getting the belt (maybe his best match ever.)  If he was producing matches similar to this throughout his entire run then we might have some positives to take away from Jinder’s run as champ.  Unfortunately, that isn’t the case.  WWE totally panicked, with good reason.  If they wanted the Champion vs Champion match to be the headliner of Survivor Series then Jinder isn’t going to be a good choice.  He hasn’t headlined any PPV since becoming champion, so what made WWE think having him headline a major PPV was a good idea?  So WWE did what WWE does best, fix mistakes in a panic.  I’m totally behind this move, because now I’m interested in the match at least (I mean until AJ jobs to Brock, then I’ll be pissed.)  As for the last part Jinder’s run accomplished two things in my opinion.  1.)  It totally devalued the WWE Title Belt and 2.) It may have helped fans from India want to tune in more.  I don’t know for sure since I don’t have any data to back this up, but would WWE keep the belt on him for so long if there wasn’t at least some positive from it?  

Kent:  1. Obviously they panicked and realized that the vast majority of fans weren’t soaking their panties for Jinder vs Brock in the same way that fans may for something like JerichOmega match.  Poor decision WWE>  Brock tossing the Singh Bros would have been tremendously satisfying and this could have worked.  Plus all the hype and build up is now gone.  On top of that, there’s no reason for AJ and Brock to fight.  This all started because Jinder challenged Brock long before it was known what the format for Survivor Series would be, as in all champ vs champ matches.  2) Yeah, he got the Singh Bros over as really good henchmen.  He finally had a good match against AJ and looked like he almost got it.  Like he’s finally at midcard champion level, which is where he should have long been.  Over the past 10 years, you are going to struggle finding a champion who put on as consistently poor matches despite thehigh level of opponents.  Jinder physically looks great, but sorry, I don’t have much for positives.

  1.  Sami doesn’t seem to be winning any more frequently since his heel turn.  Is it a matter of timing or is there no interest in having him be a winner in WWE’s eyes?

Russ:  I’m going to say that timing is a major factor that plays into Sami losing here.  Even though Smackdown has done a good job progressing storylines outside of Survivor Series to move toward December they are still in a holding pattern.  With that said they really can’t move Sami and KO forward until after Survivor Series and they can get the full attention of Shane and whoever else they are supposed to go up against.  Sami is a major player, or at least he really should be and I think WWE knows this.  I’m hoping things will pick up for ZaynKO after Survivor Series.  

Kent:  I’m hoping that it’s timing.  Then I hear that they got sent home from the European tour and I worry..  The reports are coming out of various theories but NOTHING is solid as to what happened as of yet.  Don’t be a moron and believe everything that is initially reported.  WIth that being said, it’s a case of now or never after Survivor Series to get serious about pushing Sami.  There’s only so much credibility that a wrestler can have, despite what WWE will try to make you believe.  Sami has a chance, but we gotta get past Survivor Series.  I wouldn’t be shocked if Sami never gets the push and actually fear that to be the case.  On a separate topic, I am telling you that Sami Zayn is winning this year’s Royal Rumble!!!

  1.  Should WWE have brought Paige back Tuesday?  What was accomplished by having Carmella kick Ellsworth after the match?

Russ:  I honestly don’t care about Paige either way unless she is involved in a triple threat match with Brad Maddox and Xavier woods (Dead Horse Beaten again!)  I’m also not sure why they had Carmella kick Ellsworth either.  I can surmise a few guesses though.  First, maybe they are breaking them up and this is how that starts.  Second, maybe Ellsworth likes it rough and Carmella saw an opportunity to give him the rough stuff he so desires.  Either way it was stupid.  

Kent:  Yes, yes they absolutely missed a huge opportunity for paige to make a huge impact and get the fans to possibly support the Smackdown women.  Then at Survivor Series, have Paige and Asuka get a double count out.  Nah, that’s too logical.  Nothing was accomplished by Carmella’s kick.  Survivor Series booking defies logic every F’N  year.

  1.  Rusev dominated his match against Randy and then Cena booking occurred and Rusev is no longer involved in Survivor Series despite being a leader in the siege along with New Day.  What gives?

Russ:  First of all worst Rusev Day ever!  I still can’t understand why WWE treats Rusev as a jobber.  If you don’t think Rusev is a jobber then you don’t watch too many of his matches.  He loses all the time when it counts.  Rusev and Aiden have been killing it.  I know it is the job of the heel to make the faces look good, but when the heels consistently knock their segments out of the park you expect them to get a few good wins under their belt.  WWE  seems to hate Rusev.  Which is a real shame because the Bulgarian Bruiser has a lot more talent than the majority of the roster.  I fear in the next few years Rusev won’t be a part of the WWE.  Which will be a major loss for them.  

Kent:  I don’t even believe in Rusev Day anymore.  I think my parents lied to me about Rusev being a dominant wrestler.  Rusev’s push is as real as Santa.  This is such a fucking joke.  I can’t stand how Rusev, Jinder, KO, Sami, and Dolph have no matches, but Cena and Shane do.  Fucking terrible booking.

Bonus Deuce Deuce

  1. Rate Raw:

Russ:  I’m impressed.  RAW has been entertaining for three straight weeks.  This was a little different though.  This week the matches really shined instead of any story.  Finn / Joe,  The Tag Title Match, Braun / The Miz.  This was all good stuff.  Rating:  6.4

Kent:  3 very good matches, a bit of story, and a guitar on a pole match.  I was fairly Kentertained.  Let’s go with a 6.

  1.  Rate Smackdown – Also give thoughts on Cena being added to Team Smackdown

Russ:  I’m not sure why Cena would join Smackdown as he blatantly left Smackdown to go to RAW so he could fight Roman a few months back.  Giving him free agent status is fucking stupid.  Putting him on the team fucks everything up for the other talent that busts their ass every week.  Oh Smackdowns rating?  Let’s say 4.6.  It wasn’t bad, but it definitely wasn’t that good either.  

Kent:  Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Fuck Cena.  Smackdown gets 3.7 as I was less than impressed by their storytelling.

Final Thoughts

Russ: It appears WWE is already souring on the Bludgeon Bros idea.  WHY!  They haven’t even given us a chance to see them!  I’m all for a cheesy gimmick if they can deliver it in a fun way.  Luke and Rowan are a great tag team.  Let them do their work in the ring in front of enough audiences and people will respond.  

Kent:  Luke Harper is going to be in an episode of USA’s Damnation.  Consider me intrigued.  I love Luke and won’t ever give up on him.  I liked the first episode and think that this show has legit potential.

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