The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:6 “The King, the Widow and Rick”

Anyway, thank you to Briana, Bob, Bitty, Brian, Chris, Raylene, and Eric for taking time out of their busy schedule to provide their valuable insight.  Always feel free to leave your own thoughts in the comments section.  All messages in bold are written by Kent, and I know damn well that some of you just come to read my responses to you.

Eric and I also did a podcast Friday night about the past 2 episodes of TWD, and I promise you, it’s really got some insight.  Beyond that, we also delve into The Punisher first season on NetFlix.  So if you have interest in either of those things, and you know damn well that you do or you wouldn’t be here, then us a listen and leave a comment or share it.  If you hate it, just blame Bitty.

Are You Not Kentertained Episode #090

Intro

  1.  Give me your thoughts on last week’s helicopter that Rick saw. (My apologies for not asking this last week.)

 

Briana:  I was completely shocked by the helicopter! Obviously it has to be some sort of military/government vehicle but is it being run by those who originally owned it? I’m thinking not! Some rando who knew how to fly a helicopter got a hold of it and took it somewhere! Lol! (So this week, I did a podcast with Eric.  Something that we discussed and you kinda brought it up here is, how many people who are survivors know how to operate a chopper?  Secondly, where are they still getting all of this fuel for?  To go a little further, I doubt that libraries are too ransacked.  Why is there only one doctor among all of these groups?  You would think that Negan, Ezekiel, and even Gregory would have put a couple of people in charge of learning certain medical skills, like stab and bullet wounds, fevers, and amputations.  But being able to fly a chopper, that’s what the show goes with.  Ending rant.)

Bob:  I really wasn’t sure what to think about the chopper.  I thought maybe the military/government is still functioning in some capacity.   (I find it interesting that they haven’t really involved the government too much in this.  Aside from the CDC in season 1 and that Eugene lied about being with the gov, nothing much has transpired.  Now, it is very plausible that with people trying to hunker down in some bunker, it wouldn’t take much to wipe everybody out, one walker begets another and so on.  Still, I truly wish that this was discussed by somebody with legitimate knowledge.)

Bitty:  I’m excited to learn more about it. It’s been years and we’ve only seen a couple of states. Hopefully there is military active somewhere!  (I just ate a pickle in honor of Eugene.  Anyway, great point.  Have we seen them in the Carolinas, Alabama, Tennessee, or Kentucky?  Yes, we as viewers look at the map and assume that they took a straight line.  Well, maybe not Morgan with the reveal, but that’s for later.  I felt that they missed an opportunity to add a bit of the Carolinas.  It’s been Georgia and Virginia.  I want more!  I want Montana.)

Brian:  Jesse has been found with the cure to the blue meth flu and the government is taking back control of the world….   (I tried watching Need For Speed…I did not make it.  Could this be a tie in to a sequel with him in a chopper?  There was a chopper in the first film.  Just sayin’.)

Chris:  The governor has had his brain surgically installed into a helicopter and is now seeking revenge against Rick.  It wouldn’t surprise me if it belonged to Negan.  (Chris, if I ever meet you in person, I plan on shaking your hand.  Yes, it will be a sign of gratitude, but know that at least 92% of the gratitude is for the first half of this particular response.  Kudos.  It does speak volumes that I thought about this for a little bit picturing how silly it would be.  Even if it was Rick hallucination dream while in this container that he is currently in.  I know that everybody just thought of your response as funny, but Rick could have some trippy dreams in there, and this could be one.  I would be ever so happy to see this come to fruition.)

Raylene:  My  first thought is that it’s a hallucination since I am not sure if anyone other than Rick saw it.  (See it, or at least hear it.  Shouldn’t that draw some attention from a lot of various entities, both dead and undead?)

Eric:  Simon has mentioned “the flyer” before.  It’s probably Negan’s  (We talked a lot about this on the podcast.  I really do like the idea of the Saviors finding a chopper, and Negan standing there, and then saying something like “Man, this gets be fucking hard.  We are going to get in the air and find all of the camps surrounding us and we are going to fuck them to death.”  Or something outrageously awful, chock full of innuendo.  I really like the idea that it’s theirs.)

Kent:  Prior to Talking Dead, I honestly thought it had something to do with Fear The Walking Dead.  Since I have no other inkling and now know that it is Morgan who will be featured on Fear, I am now more gung ho about this idea.  There’s nothing stating that it’s only one character appearing on one show or the other.  I think the Morgan announcement is a red herring, and we will have somebody in a chopper trying to find Morgan.  Let’s call that person Strand.  I will offer another theory, that is going to be wrong.  I can say this, after ALL OUT WAR, a character that we know reaches out to an unknown character.  That unknown character may be with a group that has a chopper.  I feel that is like Season 11 or 12 stuff though, so I doubt that’s the gameplan.

 

  1. How will Rick’s visit with the Scavengers end now that we know that they have him locked up?

 

Briana:  Ugh! He irritates me! Who goes to a place like that all by himself? I don’t think it’s going to end well! They either plan on trading him or killing him so I’m at a loss on how he will get out of this pickle. (Wow, we now have 2 pickle references in this blog.  How exciting!  I am going to throw this idea out there, and I hope people think about it.  The Scavengers are not bad people.  They were minding their own damn business this whole time, just hanging out in the nude, crafting some art, maybe listening to some Joplin or Simon and Garfunkle on one of the numerous car stereos that they have.  At no point have we seen them become aggressive without provocation.  Rick is the dumbass who started with them.  We, as fans, got mad that the Scavengers made the deal with the Saviors and screwed over those we love, well not Brian.  Anyway, the reality is that they seemingly made the most lucrative deal and had hoped to be left alone thereafter.  Along comes Officer Friendly, F’N their shit up again.  He already killed their greatest warrior, Winslow the walker.  Rick is lucky to be alive if you really think about it.  He;s absolutely unnecessarily provoking these people who want to be self sufficient and left alone.)

Bob:  Does he have conjugal rights with the leader of the Scavs?  (I had lots of responses for this one.  The 2 I settled on are simple.  1. I think Janis would be a perfect starting girl for Carl before him and Enid or whoever else.  I think Janis would teach him valuable lessons that Michonne can’t quite provide.  2. Janis only gets nude when she is making art.  No conjugal visits.)

Bitty:  He will also be making naked art. Honestly I think she will come around. She just wants everything to be on her own terms. (I’ll refer you to my response to Bri and simply ask, why does Janis need to come around?  They were getting by just fine until Rick intervened their peaceful short sentence lifestyle.  Rick should have to adapt.)

Brian:  He will be given to Negan as a pow. The Ricktards with try and trade the group of saviors for him. In the meantime the leader will use him as a nude model for her art.  (Yeah, I hope Rick does the Kate Winslet pose from Titanic.  I assume that he saw it his world, probably Lori forced him to.  I think you are partially right, that there will be a trade, and you could be 100% spot on.  I keep thinking that it’s going to be Gabe and possibly Eugene or Enid and Aaron for the POW’d at Hilltop.  It could very well be for Rick though.  Negan does value his people.)

Chris:  Well, Rick isn’t going to die.  Maybe they will try to take Rick to the saviors, only for alexandrians to rescue him.  (What you just said goes back a few blogs ago about the perception that Daryl and Rick are unkillable.  Rick shouldn’t be the one who went.  If it was somebody else, let’s say Rosita, we could start hypothesizing scenarios in which she died.  Here, we have a foregone conclusion that Rick is surviving just fine, so the danger and suspense factor is missing.)

Raylene:  I think a group will come to save him since they know where he went which why the hell go alone in the first place.  (Much like in Game of Thrones, we can see how people can now teleport to certain locations at the exact right time.  Therefore, Daryl’s group, Carol, Henry, Morgan, Aaron, and Enid will all converge at the right spot within seconds of each other.  Don’t put it past them to do this.)

Eric:  There will be some daring escape, gunfight, some no name actor/actress will die.  (I laughed at the no name actor/actress part because that is SO going to happen.)

Kent:  Brian was talking to me about nude art and the Thunderdome, and man, I liked all of that stuff.  I am assuming that Aaron is heading there soon, and perhaps Carol and Henry will as well.  Still, they need more people, so I think Rick will pull a Kate Winslet, pose nude for Janis, and then Aaron will see this, get a raging clue, and then all Scavengers except Janis will die.  Really, nobody reads my answers, so this is an example of me just talking to myself.

 

  1.  Should Carol have allowed Henry to follow her?

 

Briana:  Why not? At this point, Carl isn’t the only kid who grew up in this and an uneducated kid is a dead kid in this world. So take the kid out and teach him a little.  (I hadn’t considered that.  He was younger than Carl when this all started.  This world may very well be all that he really knows or can recall.  That’s kinda scary.  I love the fact that Henry is the real life brother to Sophia.)

Bob:  Yeah, I think she is hoping to push Ezekiel to some limits…. To get him to act.  (Good insight.  If Ezekiel has one person that he cares most about that can cause him to leave his pity party, it’s definitely Henry, and Carol knows how to push those buttons.)

Bitty:  No. omg Carol with the damn kids again. She can’t get away!!!!!  (Some guys are  crazy chick magnets.  Some girls are asshole magnets.  Carol, she is always saddled with the kids.  The thing is, since Sophia, she has done such a wonderful job, as far as the acting goes.)

Brian:  like normal Carol will lead another child to his doom.(Since when has that ever happened?  Judith is still alive with more hair than both of us combined, or is that because Tyrese took care of her.  Let’s see.  Sopha dead.  When Carol had to watch Carl he didn’t run off much at least.  All the Woodbury kids including Mika and Lizzie…double check.  Sam…triple check.  Poor Henry.)

Chris:  Why not?  It’s not like anything bad has happened to kids when Carol is with them….. oh wait….(Judith and Carl are the Grimes exception.  It’s interesting to me that in the comic, Carol was like pudgy and she died in the prison because she was batshit crazy, but Sophia is still alive.  It’s amazing how they turned that whole narrative on it’s side for the show.  So weird to think about it.)

Raylene:  As I immediately thought Henry is doomed now that he is with Carol she is the angel of death for kids  (Well, it almost feel like this is Carol’s cross to bear, her own personal Hell of having kids drawn to her.  Maybe she wasn’t a good mom, and let Ed do some bad shit to Sophia.  It could be some twisted shit.)

Eric:  Stupid kid deserves to die if he doesn’t listen to carol. (Yeah, Carol is the one person that you listen to and I feel that she will keep you safest.)

Kent:  Well, it’s not like Nabilla was baking Henry cookies, so why not take advantage of that teachable moment.  I mean, the kid doesn’t look comfy wielding his stick, but he’ll figure it out.  I am still more intrigued that the kid is the real life brother of Sophia.

 

  1.  Please give us your first impressions of Siddiq.

 

Briana:  I was super skeptical of him at first and felt Rick had the right idea but he seems really genuine. I could also be naive in that assumption but if he is telling the truth, I like him. I have always felt that everyone should be killing every walker they pass so I enjoy his take on that. (Oh, I love the whole killing every walker bit.  The dude is a machine.  He’s gotta be very smart too to be doing this on his own.  I hope that we learn more because he has potential to bring something new to the group.  Or he can go the way of Heath.)

Bob:  Simple and honest, probably part of a group somewhere…. (I didn’t even consider that once I knew his name, because of his connection in the comic.  WIth that being said, him being in the comic means nothing, as Daryl, Merle, Tara and others can vouch for.  For all I know, him and the helicopter could be connected in some capacity.)

Bitty:  I was sketched out by him at first. Then I found myself wondering about his age. Are Carol and him supposed to be the same age and are they setting us up for another heart breaking death.  (Melissa McBride is in her 50’s in real life. Siddiq is closer to our age.)

Brian: too well trained to a loner. I think he’s a scout for a new group.. maybe the chopper people or could be a savior scout. They are everywhere and have supplies stashed.  (Geeze, I really should read people’s responses first as I just suggested that Siddiq and the chopper could be related.  I think that it is a distinct possibility.)

Chris:  He seemed genuine enough.  He’ll be the perfect replacement for Gabriel (Yeah, plus he is “Muslim American”, I have no idea if that is the right term, but I found it on a wedsite, so I am using it.  I apologize if that isn’t the proper term.  It goes back to the thing with TWD that they can only have so many men of color on the show at once, for whatever reason, and history has proven this.  I think you’re right on being a good Gabriel replacement.)

Raylene: Trust no one Carl you fool and don’t take your dumbass mother’s advice (Carl just got his hair cut and now has a mullet.  It’s supposedly for a new movie role.  Just sayin’.  If they killed Carl, I would struggle with this particular show.))

Eric:  Just some dude on his own during the apocalypse (Here’s a real kick in the balls for you.  In the comics, he hails from Oceanside.  Obviously, that won’t be the case here, or so I would assume.)

Kent:  I like Siddiq in the comic, and I thought his whole talk about his mom was good.  What this does tell me is that Gabriel is dead.  Another man of color just showed up on the show…yeah.  This is the Walking Dead here.  Ezekiel and Morgan, watch your asses.

 

  1.  Should Carl have left his post in Alexandria to go recruit Siddiq?

 

Briana:  I guess that really depends on what he was doing in Alexandria. Since we have seen literally nothing of him through all of this, I don’t know if what he was up to was important or not. So sure! There’s lots of people around to look out and he didn’t go extremely far from town.  (I would dispute your claim of lots of people to look out.  To use the nerd phrase, most of the red shirts went with Rick for the million bullet shoot out, where the leader of the red shirts, Tobin, got shot.  If you think about it, Carl, Michonne, Rosita, Judith, and Kent were left.  Carl, Michonne, and Rosita all bailed from their posts to do dumb things.  There is a distinct possibility that either Kent or Judith is currently in charge of Alexandria.  All the known people are gone, from my perspective.  With that being said, at least Carl now has Siddiq to help defend the place so he doesn’t have to go all Macauley Culkin on the Wet Bandits, I mean Saviors.  Seriously though, if they did an episode of Carl setting up traps for Saviors, we’d all laugh.)

Bob:  No, it’s war – DO YOUR JOB!  (Isn’t it funny how people actually had more discipline prior to the war than they do now?  Not that they are treating it as fun and games, but in WAR, this is all just day 1 type of knowledge.  Un real.)

Bitty: Carl is finding his own way. He believes in man kind still and wants to prove that not everyone is bad. It’s what he is fighting for. (“Mankind.  That word should have new meaning for all of use today.  We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore.  I had to do the quote.)

Brian: Arl is stupid and loves to take risks like his pappy. This will lead to Arl bringing the downfall of Alexandria.  (I’m more curious about your philosophy on whether Judith will ever rise to power in some capacity.)

Chris:  Of course he shouldn’t have.  Rick has never been known to make great decisions, so carl is just following in his footsteps.  (Rick is off doing nude art, Carl is saving walker souls.  Weird family.  Here is another oddity that I wish we were doing this from season one.  Does anybody ever stop and think about how big of a dick Rick is?  When he first meets the group, he just rolls in and takes over the leader spot of the group from presumably Shane and possibly Dale.  Like, he just took it.  One of his first actions as part of the group was to handcuff Merle and basically ended up leaving him to die, intentionally or not.  Yet, Negan gets the bad rap.  I find it weird.)

Raylene:  No he shouldn’t have who the hell is left there if they get attacked? (Kent and Judith.  They’ll be fine.)

Kent:  Fuck Alexandria!  It’s not like they have solar panels and a great system there or anything.  Why should anybody be concerned with keeping this place locked down?  Seriously, an scene for some exposition about who he left in charge would have been nice.  I am assuming it is Kent as Michonne and Rosita bailed, and Tobin is wounded.  Really, it’s either Kent or Judith.

 

  1.  Should Michonne and Rosita have left Alexandria, considering their health, and the lack of people to defend their home?

 

Briana:  It was a terrible idea and I’d like to say it worked out well for them in the end because it did but not on their behalf. They went in there, fumbled through the whole thing and then Daryl had to save their asses. It was not a good idea.  (That’s the best/worst part of it.  They go on this trip that was long enough that warranted them switching drivers midway through for some reason.  I gotta ask, why did they switch who was driving?    Anyway, they get there, and Rosita has some kind of combat training.  Michonne’s specialty is to sneak up on people to get close enough to melee range.  Yet they totally made both characters act even dumber.  Mind blown, like that poor guy who fought Rosita.)

Bob:  No, DO YOUR JOB! BUT….. It’s a good thing they did, at the moment. (Is Rick the only one following the plan at the moment, well him and Carol?  I wish they would have spent time going over the plan in the season premiere rather than give pep talks and wasting ammunition.)

Bitty: You know my thoughts on Rosita. Toss her in a pit and leave her. OVER IT. (Man, that’s rough.  Well, somebody has to do die soon.  You may get your wish.  Or Siddiq could knock her up and Rosita lasts 4 more seasons.  Anything is possible.  I bet Ned Stark could give her advice.)

Brian:  I loved to see it. It gives the saviors better chances to either take Alexandria or kill more Ricktards (I seriously intend on getting you a Ricktards shirt.  It would be hilarious.  You’re right.  They have no defense at all now.)

Chris:  Again, like Carl, of course not.  But the show would be pretty boring with some of the main characters just sitting around all season. (Couldn’t there feasibly have been leftover Wolves to raid Alexandria?  Actually, I want to know why nobody ever want back to their hang out and take the supplies.  They were well stocked.)

Raylene:  No but they are stupid females so common sense isn’t a plenty there (Oh, you want me to go on some woman rant.  Nope, not doing it.  I believe in Vice Principal Strong Woman.  Anybody reading this that may be confused, watch this past week of South Park for a treat.)

Eric:  I don’t think so. With impending war, they needed all the defenders they can get. Plus with them healing, they would be better off staying put. Hell, Lori rolled her car and she wasn’t injured before the crash.  (Yeah, how the hell did Lori come out of that crash so well?  That was one of those things to just kill time.   If I am being practical here, and assuming that the solar panels are still holding up, it amazes me how little focus has been put on protecting what they have.  I get that they wanted to do a huge assault, but Negan still has the numbers.  It’s weird.)

Kent:  Seriously, why not just put out the welcome mat for any intruders.  The Wolves invade and it’s hands across America to save Alexandria.  Now that we’re in ALL OUT WAR, nobody seems to give a damn.  I don’t get it.  I wish Rosita would just take it over and walk around naked.  They can show that on AMC as Janis proved.

 

  1.  Daryl, Tara, Michonne, and Rosita are now on a mission.  Do you think that their mission will cause at least one of their lives?

 

Briana:  It’s time, I can feel it. Tara’s getting it! Otherwise, it could also be Rosita but I’m going with Tara.  (Gold star for you!  It is finally time…..for the midseason finale.  Not this week.)

Bob:  I get the feeling Rosita is in for it.  (I would have agreed if this was last season when they finally built her character up, it felt like they may do the build up a character to kill them thing.  They have done jack with her this season.  I think that she is a candidate, but I think that she is safe.)

Bitty:  Again, Rosita you can be arrogant and dumb and get killed. (It’s like you feel about Rosita the way I feel about Tara.  I think one of our girls is gonna get got.  I’m going to be selfish and hope it’s my girl.  She has been so irritating since her very first scene.  Like, it’s impressive.)

Brian:  hopefully. I think michonne will lose the baby… and Tara will die trying to save her. Btw rick knocked her up…. (I’ll assume you are implying that Rick knocked up Michonne and not Tara, but that would be kinda funny.    I could see Michonne get knocked up.  It was back, well some years ago, when Michonne kinda had like a little meltdown in the child’s room.  I always thought that would be a precursor, so there you go.  And you get a gold star for being on the Tara train.)

Chris:  I think it’s time for an impactful death.  It won’t be Daryl, but maybe Tara or Rosita.  Then again, now that Michonne will be in marvel movies for the considerable future, it might be time to write her off the show.  (With such a huge cast, I feel that these actors can feasibly do 1-2 side projects along with TWD.  If you think about it, aside from maybe Andy Lincoln, most have plenty of time.  The thing is that Andy shows up on set just to watch them film other stuff not involving him.  I think that’s such a neat and dedicated thing.  I know others do too, but I hear about it with Andy a lot.  This is definitely a coin toss between Rosita and Tara. I brought up how Carol was portrayed in the comic, but it should be said that Michonne got a much better make over in the show as well.  Michonne slept around like crazy in the comic.  Michonne dying would catch everybody off guard, that’s for sure.)

Raylene:  I’m ready for Tara and Rosita to just go away other then Michonne fighting skills I am over the whole usefulness of her character to the show (Rosita needs to stay around so Eugene can finally get a chick.  He deserves that because he won’t have many video games after ALL OUT WAR.)

Kent:  Man, what a Tarabull idea that would be.  I would be sooooo sad if that were to happen.  Please, whatever the producers and writers do, just don’t kill Tara.  Seriously, we know Michonne ain’t gon get got, and Daryl is practically a Marvel super hero, and Rosita is the most attractive female on the show.  I will go on record and state that if the other 3 die and Tara is the last one standing, I will legit stop watching this show.  Just throwing that out there.  SOmebody has to die….I hope.

 

  1.  Will Margaret, I mean Maggie, come to regret keeping the prisoners inside the walls of Hillside?

 

Briana:  Of course she will. Don’t they always regret these sort of things? And long haired dude (I don’t feel like googling for his name again. You know the one I mean) is obviously looking for his chance every second and he will find it. The HillTop is not made up of a bunch of Maggie’s and Rick’s. They are going to mess up and he’s going to get a gun and some people are definitely going to die. (Now they don’t have Aaron and Enid either.  They have a pregnant Maggie, who isn’t showing yet, a wacky Jesus, and Dianne.  I trust in Dianne’s skills.  The long haired guy is Jared.  Just try to remember Subway and you should be fine.  I think his death may end up being the most satisfying one of the season, if he does go.  I mean, he pissed off Gavin who is supposed to be a dick.  I am kinda surprised that he lasted with The Saviors.)

Bob:  I will venture a No here.  Because everything we seem to see makes us want to believe bad things will happen – so nothing will happen and everyone, save 2 of them, will “join” hillside.  (I think Jared is an exception, and probably Gregory.  I can see them joining Hilltop or, just rejoining Sanctuary after the dust settles.  This feels like a red herring.)

Bitty:  I don’t think Maggie will have a sense of regret, ever after the death of Glenn. Everything she does has a purpose and even if they gets lose and harm the Hilltop she will still stand by her word and actions. (Yeah, which is why I think she sucks as a leader at the moment.  When you have to rationalize that your decision could be useful down the road, while so many horrible things can happen, you just gotta take care of it now.  Even if she loses that bargaining chip, is it that big of a loss?)

Brian:  yes. For once Gregory will do a good thing and unite then in a revolt against a weakened hilltop.  (I cannot tell you how much I want this to happen.  There’s nobody at the Hilltop that would hate to lose at this moment, aside from Dianne, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.  If they took out Maggie & Jesus, and reclaim Gracie, it would be amazing.)

Chris:  Based on track record, yes, they most certainly will. (The stupid thing is that if it comes back to bite them in the ass, it won’t be Maggie or Jesus’ ass that gets bitten.  That is frustrating to me as a fan.)

Raylene:  If Jared remains alive then yes she will regret it  (I want Jared to takeover Hilltop.  He could get a big head and try to talk to Negan, like Spencer did.  It could be hilarious.)

Eric:  I know that they are going to need people to run and populate the colonies, but hostages only complicate the situation, now you have to feed them. (Yeah, gotta feed your “bargaining chips” or else they lose their value.  Supplies cannot be too solid, at least from what they have shown us.)

Kent:  In real life, yes, of course she would.  In the TWD universe, everything just works out for her after Glenn’s death, that it’s borderline gag worthy, so she won’t regret a damn thing.  Boooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

 

  1.  Is it smart for Enid to go with Aaron?

 

Briana:  Probably not but he can use the help. He’s not in a good place mentally and it’s less smart for him to go by himself.  (I can see your point.  I just think it’s odd for that person to be Enid.  For all I know, they were friendly prior to the Ricktatorship in Alexandria, so maybe they have some catching up to do.  I am kinda surprised that they didn’t put Jesus with Aaron.  TWD loves to tease some romance, and this is such an imperfect time that it feels right for them to do it.  Maybe not romance, but more like building the bond.)

Bob:  Totally, he could use the company for his own mental health.(I wonder if they’ll show him driving and then the next scene, she’ll be driving.  I hope they do this.)

Bitty:  Enid’s character needs a little boost. So far she’s been pretty bland. Hopefully we’ll learn what her ambition is. Was she a savior at one point?  (No, she simply survived, the J.S.S. backstory.  This poor girl has been accused of being a Wolf or a Savior and I think she’s just a girl that figured her shit out better than most adults in that situation.)

Brian:  it’s shows that the Ricktards are falling apart and the group’s are becoming every man for themselves and will lead to an easier battle for the saviors to win.  Negan is a strong leader with loyal followers. (From an outsider’s perspective, this would be the logical outcome.  Negan still has more people, probably more ammo, and a better system set up.  He should still be favored in Vegas to win.  The only positives that Rick has going for him is that the show is based around it, but that is it.)

Raylene: Like really what’s her use in combat fighting (Ya know what?  I bet you that she does something great in combat.  I’m going bat for her.  She’s gotta be cool at some point.  The waiting game on her character is getting stale.)

Kent:  I would say no.  I was speculating that Enid would be the wet nurse after Carl did the right thing.  I’m at a loss and poor Gracie.  Who’s going to take care of her?  I think that should have been Gregory’s job, to babysit Gracie.  Come on, you know that would have been funny.  I hope Jared gets to bitchslap Jesus before he escapes.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  What was more ridiculous: Leo’s rocket launcher death or Zia’s Fat Lady getting hit by Daryl’s truck?

 

Briana:  I loved the rocket launcher! The truck was a little cheesy but still pretty cool as far as effects go.

Bob:  Rocket launcher = awesome.  Truck collision was more ridiculous just because of perfect timing.

Bitty: Rocket Launcher

Brian:  the truck.. really Darryl just happened to be driving by at that exact moment to cause the accident. Then just pop out and perfectly shoot her in the head.. No even a bit believable.  (Yeah, the fact that he immediately got a headshot after was hilariously bad.  That really was terrible.)

Raylene: They were both pretty stupid but to have perfect timing with the truck is beyond frustrating  

Kent:  The truck.  The fucking timing on this show…..I know brain, I tried turning you off, but you keep coming back on.  This show never ceases to amaze me with ridiculous moments.  I kinda thought some people would go for the RPG because in theory, that should have sent Rosita’s bitch ass backwards.  There’s a lot to that part, but it’s still preferable to the timing of the truck.

 

  1.  If you were in Gregory’s current position, what would you do?

 

Briana:  If I’m Gregory, I do nothing. Sit back and wait for all of this to unravel. He’s a selfish coward so this is his M.O.

Bob:  Exactly what he is doing.  Cowering.

Bitty:  If I was Gregory and acted and thought like him I’d do the same thing if I was thrown in there… plot and try to reconnect with whoever he can in the pen. (Reconnecting I think is one of the better ideas here.)

Brian:  rally the troops. Margaret put a person who knows the layout of the hilltop. What they have for stores and weapons into a group of her enemy. This will be her downfall.  (THIS! This right here.  He knows the ins and out of this place, yet Margaret put him in there with everybody else.  She knew better than to put him in general pop.  He needed to be put in solitary.  I found this borderline stunning, until I remembered, the writers feel like they can do whatever with her and it doesn’t matter because all she has to do is reference Glenn and get everybody sad, and nobody considers her stupid actions.  Once again, Maggie is not a good leader.)

Raylene:  Try to pit people against each other  (I would thoroughly enjoy this scenario.  I need a scene where he asks Jared to come over and see Gregory whisper in his ear.  Please, make this happen!)

Eric:  Start learning to kiss some serious ass  (Possibly more than kissing.)

Kent:  Pick a fight with the biggest guy in the joint and become the leader.  That’s the most reasonable thing I can think of.

 

Final Thoughts – Also, how do you feel about Morgan joining the cast of Fear The Walking Dead, and does increase or decrease his odds of dying this season on The Walking Dead?

 

Briana:  What??? I didn’t know he joined FTWD! (I don’t watch that one) is he Morgan or someone else? Is that why he had a breakdown and ran away? That makes sense. (To answer your questions, Morgan will still be Morgan.  Both shows take place in the same universe.  Fear was originally in Cali, then Mexico, and appears to be heading to Texas sooner than later.  Now, here is where it gets complicated. They wrapped up their 3rd season a couple of months back.  In TWD, we can surmise that we are in year 3-5 range, despite being in season 8.  Fear’s second season took place around the same time as TWD’s first season.  So the question is, will this be during the time that Morgan was insane and burning bodies as we saw in TWD’s season 3, or more likely after he cleared, he kept moving on to do more clearing.  Then maybe he does the Fear thing, then meets Eastman, and then saves Daryl and Aaron.  I am making a lot of broad guesses here.  The other question that must be considered is will Morgan travel and find them, or will Fear continue moving East and maybe bring the female lead, Madison, closer to her roots?  I would assume the latter as she’s got a southern belle voice that occasionally comes out of her.  If nothing else, I think they have effectively added viewers to a failing show by virtue of using Morgan.  Sorry for the long response.)

Bitty:  I’m wondering if he is going to die? I don’t watch Fear but I’m guessing it’s before the WD time frame? So Morgan would have to die in WD so we can see how it all started in Fear. Also Carol’s over the top emotion during Talking makes me wonder if they did kill him off. It seemed so final.  (I will direct you to my long answer to Bri.  I swear, I think Melissa blew it on Talking.  Her reaction was odd and emotional.  I don’t think she was supposed to react much other than to, do the praise your fellow actor spiel.  If I could put money on it, I would put it on Morgan dying this season.  He already did the whole I can’t die thing.  I hope not, but the writing on the wall…..it looks bad.)

Brian: given that negan likes to take on “wives” as punishment for disobedience. Could an error in ricks ways have lead to arl being sired by the negan? And the coma caused by Lucille? I digress I think Morgan on talking is just a ratings grab. I think he’s fine… or commits suicide cause Jesus whipped his ass…. (Morgan shouldn’t have lost to Jesus.  It would be nice if they explained why Jesus can fight the way that he does.  I think Morgan dies via arrow  Since hardly anybody is reading at this point, I love to throw these oddities out.)

Raylene:  At this point I could care less about either show very disgruntled (Awww, somebody didn’t get their way.  Now you know how I feel when survives another episode.)

Kent:  I already said it in the comments, but to summarize. 1. Melissa gave away Morgan’s death in the show based on her reaction on Talking.  2. I predict Morgan dies via arrow, this season, probably second half.  3. He may help Madison in some capacity get to her family’s house.

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