The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:4 “Some Guy”

We got a more character and story driven episode, thankfully, and it didn’t disappoint.  They really added layers and dimensions to Ezekiel and Jerry.  I’m back with my Mean Street Posse who answer my inane questions.  As always, any comments in bold are done by Kent.  Please enjoy, and share this with friends on social media in memory of Shiva.

Intro

  1.  I know some of you are especially emotional, so let’s just get it out of the way.  Really, what was Jerry thinking when he was trying to break the chain or lock with his battleaxe and as a consequence, breaking it?

Briana:  Right? What was he thinking? Wood against chains? I think he just panicked and did the only thing he could do to try getting the gate open!  (I can’t recall any video game where wood beat chains, and Jerry strikes me as a gamer pre ZA.)

Bob:  Perfect.  The hinges may have been weaker.  This was one of many scenes where walkers were right on top of them with a ton of dialogue.  (I very much appreciate that you bring up the dialogue aspect.  It’s pretty damn funny when they do this sort of silliness.  It makes me chuckle.)

Bitty: Jerry!!! Noooooooo! He wasn’t thinking about anything other than the King. He was in a moment of do or die. (Yeah, I think his hair did the talking there.  You could tell that his head wasn’t fully in the game.)

Brian:  he knew his trusty weapon would not let him down and had to save the king.(You gotta save the King or else it’s all for nothing.)

Kristi:  He was just trying to get out of there and that was the idea that hatched in his mind. It wasn’t really a sit down to make a solid plan kinda moment. (I read this and laughed because I pictured Ezekiel and Jerry pulling a Zack Morris and pausing the action and sitting down drawing up a plan to stay alive.  I think of weird things.)

Chris:  That axe was the glue that held the group together……. I don’t even……..  (Brilliant answer that made me legit laugh.  Thank you for that.)

Raylene:  I believe he was trying to break the chains perhaps figuring it would be easier than breaking the lock. There was really no place for them to go unless Jerry just tossed the king over the fence like a hoss.  (Bonus points for saying Hoss, and I would have also enjoyed them showing Jerry toss a dummy of Ezekiel like they used to do in Married With Children.)

Eric:  all he was thinking about was saving the king. Weapons come and go in this world. Daryl lost his crossbow numerous times through the series. (This made me wonder, how many crossbows has Daryl gone through and does he keep a supply of arrows at Alexandria?)

Kent:  Let’s face it, some of us are better/worse than others in a panic situation.  It was clearly a panic situation and it doesn’t strike me that Jerry has been in many situations like this.  Now, I am tossing this idea out there, but with Jerry’s strength and and the battleaxe, I kinda thought the better moe was to go for the chain link fencing.  It’s been awhile in the ZA, so it seems plausible that he could have hossed his way through the fence that way, or at least had a better chance than the lock and chain attempt.  With that being said, I can’t make fun because I panic in stupid video games, so I’d be awful in the ZA.

 

  1.  A lot of us knew that Shiva would meet her demise this season for a variety of reasons.  Was this the right time and the right purpose?

Briana:  Is there such thing as a right time or reason for that awfulness? It was horrific and had me more upset than most people who got got on this show!! (Yes that was a shout out to your usual verbiage! Lol) But to more directly answer your question, it was as good a time and reason as any other. Ezekiel saved her life and she repaid him. The sounds though man!  (What is this emotion that I am feeling?  Joy? Pride? I’m just so happy to see you use the got got that you get a gold star.)

Bob:  I was just laughing…  The show set up sooo many moments where the tiger would rush to the rescue.  It was appropriate to kill the tiger BUT I really have a hard time thinking a cornered tiger that weighs 500 lbs could not have just run through or quickly rip apart the walkers.  If there is a belief that the tiger died on purpose, stop it now.  (If you read my answer, you will see how much I agreed with your assessment.  I think of Tyrese taking out like 50 walkers surrounding the car, but this tiger couldn’t handle 8 of them.  Please!)

Bitty:  Ezekiel saved her, she saved him. Poetic and amazing. I think I was more upset with her death than many characters we’ve lost. What would happen if she got bit but ran away? Would she have turned?  (I will not focus on the Disney aspect of your comment, but the question of animals getting bit is something that I don’t think they have yet to really answer.  I can’t recall an instance in the comic where it happened.  Yeah, you opened Pandora’s Box here.  If we think about animalistic nature, it’s to hunt and eat and feed basically, that and to mate.  While we have yet to see walkers attempting to mate, we see that their main goal is to feed.  Jenner talked about this in the season 1 finale.  So how would we know when an animal had “turned”?  The usual thing would be to spread the virus, but everybody already has it, except Little Ass Kicker.  I wonder, what would be the tell tale signs of say a cat who turned.  Would it be meaner like Church was after coming back from being buried in Pet Sematary?  Would it walk like it had 15 shots of booze, or would it have a different breathing sound or meow?  Yeah, you did not expect me to go this in depth, but these are things I have pondered.  Good question.  Anybody who is reading this, I’d love to hear your insight, maybe via comment on social media or on the blog post itself.)

Brian:  Right time and place. Another false idol getting his due for being a murderous leader. If the king had stayed with the saviors and not joined rick’s coup then him and his subjects would still be alive.  (Now I know that some of you don’t agree with Brian’s assessment, but there is something to be said for this theory.  I ask later on about whether the Kingdom should have gotten involved.  Would The Saviors have kept collecting and basically let the Kingdom live in peace had they just stayed in their lane?  I think this is a fine point.)

Kristi:  I am very unhappy about this but I think it happened at a good time. He needed Shiva at that moment and although, this is one death that will impact him, I think he needed to be thrown into the reality of what is happening. (I was afraid to message you after this episode.)

Chris:  I think it needed to happen to break the king.  He’s going to go through his depressed stage now, only for Carol to show him the light.  (Isn’t it interesting how Carol really is like the voice of reason, and has been for most of the series.  Not the morale compass, but really a voice of reason.  After T Dog sacrificed himself for her, I think that was her moment, and I know the Sophia thing also contributed, but the T Dog incident made her go in a closet alone with just her thoughts and since then, she’s been different. Like, she wasn’t wrong in burning the bodies at the prison.  She did the right (unpopular) thing.)

Raylene:  Yes this seemed to be a fitting way for her to go out saving her handler as he did for her prior to the outbreak.  (You’ve known this was coming because I don’t ever not spoil stuff from the comics, but this felt right at least.)

Eric:  I would have liked to see Shiva last longer in the series. I think it would have been a good “symbol” for the group. She died saving her master.  (I would have liked to see her last longer, but I do believe that it was just as much a budget thing as it was narrative driven.  Let’s face it, the show is making cash, but they have so many people to pay.  The 100 plus actors, the walkers, all the make up and special effects people, the cost for locking down these places, the cost of having Shiva in more was probably prohibitive.)

Kent:  I’m really glad that Bob brought up 2 points that I was going to make.  I mean it’s like Thanksgiving with John Goodman, Bob is not leaving me much meat here, haha.  We have been told time and time again how the walkers continue to get weaker and weaker, that’s how Rick can kill a whole field on his own without a bite or scratch.  Sooooo big bad ass tiger that wouldn’t have an issue taking strong people out is going to get taken out like that?  I’m not buying that, and I know that I am supposed to be a good Lil Jimmy and just be happy and play along, but this was silly.  The narrative that they tried making this poetic, I get it, and it pulls at the heart strings, as you have read, but this was like some Disney shit, or fast traveling dragons swooping in to save a great group of guys.  Are TWD and GoT competing for some silliness award?

 

  1.  This question is brought to you via Brian.  Jerry loses his battle axe and the king loses his tiger. Will the loss of their iconic weapons cause them to fall out of character?

Briana:  Yes I believe it is sort of an homage to how things will be different for them moving forward. I’m not sure about Jerry, but for Ezekiel, he was already falling out of character before she died. And that will be the last straw for him. He believes now that he’s just a guy who happened to find a tiger and now he has no tiger.  (Do you think it will take Ezekiel time to be that public face that he was or will he begrudgingly play the role and just not be very public?)

Bob:  The King has his hair.  Jerry should wield a sledgehammer next, an upgraded Tyrese character.  (I love all 3 aspects of your response, the hair, sledgehammer, and Tyrese.  Gold star!)

Bitty:  I believe that Jerry will continue his role in the kingdom. If anything the weakening of Ezekiel will make Jerry even more important to him. (Very good point in regards to Jerry being forced to up his game.)

Brian:  The king has lost the reason he became the king. He will be torn apart. (One might theorize that a part of him does get torn from him.  I can’t say anything beyond that.)

Kristi:  Jerry, no. I think Ezekiel will be at a loss but he will rise back up and be stronger because of it. (Yeah, he will rise up again.  I am curious, like I asked with Bri, wondering if he will stay in his room for awhile, or go out and try to put on his persona.)

Chris:  I doubt Jerry will become less awesome, but losing Shiva will be devastating to Ezekiel.  He’s going to believe he is nothing without her.  (Yeah, the moment Jerry becomes less awesome, probably the show gets cancelled.)

Raylene:  I think for a while the king will lose his way but then the sweet loving of Carol will bring him back and Jerry will remain as he has been. (Will we get a Carol and Ezekiel sexy scene?  I would applaud this.)

Eric:  Daryl was always Daryl even without his crossbow.  The king will still be the king even without his tiger. and jerry can always find another axe.  (Eric, that was borderline poetic.  Kudos.  You’re right, Daryl was Daryl.  If you’ve made it this far in the ZA, I feel that your time for mourning is cut by 98% or what we would go through.  Great point.)

Kent:  I would say that Jerry basically becomes Ezekiel’s next weapon….although if a sledgehammer happened to end up in Jerry’s hands, HHH would approve, and he is the King of Kings.  So from one king to another, you cannot go wrong with this weapon.  Plus it is much less likely to get stuck like machetes tend to.  I think the characters evolve to half assedly answer Brian’s question.

 

  1.  Did you find the opening scene more inspirational or depressing?  Please only consider the opening scene and not the whole episode and choose one or the other because yes, it’s both.  See how bland that answer is?

Briana:  this is a tough one but I’ll have to say depressing! Even if I didn’t know how it ended for them and only saw that scene without anything else. Loved ones leaving to fight a war is depressing regardless of the outcome.  (Yeah, the leaving for war thing, I gotta say, the way they filmed this whole opening was incredibly effective in my opinion.)

Bob:  Since I have to pick one of those, depressing.  It seemed to be a grim and accurate portrayal of the results of war.  Ezekiel being in quasi-shock – well Ezekiel got what he deserved for saying we will not lose one of our ranks.  (Excellent point about the war aspect.  It’s odd to think of somebody from the theater being so outlandish to make such a stupid proclamation.  Then I think back to our time doing theater and remember a handful of jacmos that would be that foolish.)

Bitty:  It was depressing. Also ummmm electricity?  (This isn’t the Stranger Things blog.  Although, man a TWD universe with an Upside Down would be fascinating, at least for an episode.)

Brian:  its always best to dress well and kiss your loved ones goodbye before you leave to murdert innocents.  (Don’t mind me, I’m just over here nodding with a smirk on my face.)

Kristi:  Depressing. With the history of the show, I think we all know after a speech like that a certain demise is sure to follow. (It’s like Jax Teller giving a rousing speech before they got to take out the Mayans or Niners, you know if it’s a big speech, somebody is dying.)

Chris:  Just depressing.  Ezekiel was not prepared for the idea of losing his people, and to lose so many in such a quick fashion set the tone for his breakdown at the end.  (Yeah, theater people are not very good kings or generals.  I once played the role of a king.  I was terrible at it.)

Raylene:  To me it was depressing the king was not ready for the way the Saviors fight and other than the two men and kid we see at the gate in the end is the majority of the kingdom left just women?  (Yeah, it’s probably similar to the crop of people that Rick’s group brought to the prison from Woodbury.  That’s my guess.  Also, let’s not forget Nabila, who is a crowd favorite.)

Eric:  it was inspiring to see the king rally his people to battle. Like he knew it wouldn’t end well.  (If I put myself in the mindset of being a member of the Kingdom, that’s the exact kind of speech I would like to hear before marching off to my impending doom.  That’s what I took away from it.)

Kent:  Huh, I gotta be honest, I really expected more people to say inspiring rather than depressing.  Thanks everybody, except for Eric, for making me incorrect.  To me, that speech that he gave, I absolutely loved it.  Looking back on this show, it may end up one of my favorite speeches, probably top 3.  The Governor raiding the prison is also obviously up there.

 

  1.  Now that we have had an opportunity to meet Gunther and see his demise, do you wish that he maybe had a bigger role prior?  Gunther is the Savior who took Ezekiel and stole his blade.

Briana:  Eww no! He was a Pervy looking weirdo and I’ve had enough of the psycho saviors at this point! Lol! There are enough solid characters who have the bad guy, creeper dude thing going for him. Not that he was bad for that part, I just don’t know how much of him I could have handled other than that.  (Pervy looking weirdo?  Check.  Creeper?  Check.  He’s just living the ZA dream.)

Bob:  Seriously?  What could be a bigger role than being halved by Jerry?  (Your answer made me stop in my tracks and reflect on that.  You’re not wrong.  I think it’s one of the most iconic kills of the show.)

Bitty:  I’m sorry I just couldn’t get the image of Napoleon Dynamite out of my head.  (Interestingly enough, well you can scroll down and see that you aren’t alone.  I prefer the Dahmer reference, but to each their own.)

http://fanfest.com/2017/11/13/the-walking-dead-can-we-talk-about-gunther-the-savior-real-quick/

Brian:  no Gunther could have been anyone. The true believers know that together they will survive. They are all negan and that way they use his strength and toughness.  To survive.  (But could he have been Dahmer’s son?  That’s my big question.)

Kristi: I didn’t care for him at all. I’m good with the amount of screen time he received. Less would have been prefered actually. (I kinda thought that you would dig him.  He reminded me of somebody that would have been in Devil’s Rejects.)

Chris:  He was the last person to die via Jerry’s battle axe!  He must have placed a curse on it  (Is it safe to say the first and last?  Jerry doesn’t strike me as a dude who has killed any living person prior.  The curse is real.  Hopefully next year during the season, do something like they are with the 30 second videos on the red handled machete, maybe we could get the history of the battleaxe.)

Raylene:  I would have like a longer role for him perhaps seeing if he really was mind f****king Ezekiel.  (You have spent too much time with me if you enjoyed him.  Good for you.)

Eric:  little peon fuck. I wanted to watch him die from the first time I saw him  (Well, I don’t know if we will get a more aggressive response in this blog, so there is that.)

Kent:  Man, i rather liked this guy and thought he did a dynamite job.  Judging from the responses, it seems like he did a good job, but people are sick of that character archetype.  To nobody’s surprise, I really enjoyed him.  Please get him for the next Rob Zombie film, as I think he would do a great job.

 

  1.  Should Carol have let the 2 guys get away with the guns and save Jerry and Ezekiel or focus on the task at hand?

Briana:  She did the right thing. You save the people you know you can save instead of hoping to try to save people you still might not save and then still get the other people killed. That didn’t make sense did it?  (It makes perfect sense the 7th time you read it.)  Lol! If she’d kept fighting with those guys, she may have very easily just ran out of bullets and still accomplished nothing is what I’m getting at here.  (Yeah, it could have just turned into a pissing contest.)

Bob:  If I were those guys, I would have shot Carol when she ran away to save Ezekiel.  Then I would have had Ezekiel for Negan.  That only happened to bring Rick and Daryl into the episode.  The Humvee chase was a very good scene.  (Yeah, I don’t know why they didn’t at least take a shot at Carol.  It baffled me.)

Bitty: Should Carol have saved the guns? Hell yes. Two seasons ago Carol would have. Last season Carol would’ve hid and this Season’s Carol has found a balance between being a bad ass and a person with feelings again. (I like where you’re going with this.  To add to it, in this scenario, guns equals lives to a degree.  We all love Ezekiel and Jerry, but one could easily make an argument that her acquiring those guns and keeping them from Negan could very well save 30 lives.  It’s something to think about.  Or not, I don’t know.  I’m tired.  Now I kinda want to switch my answer.  I won’t, but I kinda want to.)

Brian:  Carol knew  that the other murderous duo was waiting to finish what she could not.  (DId she definitely know?  I was questioning it.  Like she knew after the fact, but did she know in the moment?  Like the plan didn’t go off without a hitch, so they didn’t have everything exactly timed, there was no official time table, I can’t imagine.  It felt like lazy writing that Rick and Daryl conveniently got out of trouble in time to chase down these guys.)

Kristi:  I don’t think she really had a choice. Saving Ezekiel was the right thing to do. The Kingdom needs their King and it would have haunted Carol had she let him die. She did the right thing. (You say that it would have haunted her, and I agree with that.  Do you think that she needed to do it in some regard to her own mental health?  Like she can’t allow somebody to die on her watch if she can do anything about it.  I hadn’t considered it, but that’s a solid idea.)

Chris:  If she doesn’t save Ezekiel then the kingdom has no leader and will be no help in the war.  She made the right choice.  However, I agree with other comments that she could have shot the tires out.  (So while I agree with you about the tires, I then thought, if she did that, would she have definitely forced their hand to shoot and try to kill her?  Then I talked to myself in circles.)

Raylene:  Perhaps she could’ve shot the tires out on the vehicles and then saved Jerry and Ezekiel. (Okay, another person for shooting tires out.  Note what I said to Chris.)

Eric:  in the end, they got the guns. But the writers seem to be taking liberties with the fact that Rick will save the day.  (Yeah, just a smidgen with the liberties.  I call BS that they timed it that way, but it helps move the narrative along.  The logic is very flawed though.)

Kent:  I’m still shocked that those guys didn’t at the very least shoot more at her, despite the ammo situation.  As you know, I pick and choose odd things to dwell on, this was one.  Logically, they had a chance at the king, and even if they knew that, it seemed odd that they took a chance that she wasn’t going to kill them boys.  Of course it’s the “right choice” because it played out positively for our group.  In a real life predicament, I felt that she was a tad careless.  Once again, I am supposed to suspend my disbelief, so I apologize.

 

  1.  While this episode certainly humanized Ezekiel significantly, gave us additional perspective, did it make him a better or worse leader, in your eyes?  Also, and this per Brian, with the King being down at the moment, will other characters maintain their role playing within the Kingdom?

Briana: If Ezekiel really lets himself go in this ocean of depression he’s on the edge of, they’re screwed. But I think he will pull himself out! He loves his people and they will show him they still need him and he will do it for them whether he thinks he can or not.  (I am hoping that Nabila helps him.  She is the chick that we saw last season, and she was super sweet.  I hope she gets more shine this season.)

Bob:  Ezekiel needs to live by the Fake it till you Make it mantra.  He can be down but as a leader he has to resurge and not feel self pity.  And not make silly promises like no one will die in war.  Yes, I am not done with this dead horse. (Good, keep up the good work on beating the dead horse.  I get stuck on certain things and can’t let go, like Daryl and Carol in the ambulance or Glenn and the dumpster, or Rick running through walkers with a scratch or bite.)

Bitty:  “Fake it till you make it baby” He’s by far the guy I’d like to hang out with during the apocalypse. (I think that would make for a wonderful question some week when I don’t have enough topics.  Hint….hint.)

Brian:  I think that now the facade is crumbling and they are not going to make it so stop faking it. His ego has led his cult followers to certain death. (The word facade doesn’t get used enough in this blog and really for this show, facade should be used way more often.)

Kristi:  After all is said and done, I think it made him a stronger leader. I liked that he told Jerry he was no King and that he was willing to stay back since he was slowing them down. I think it will make him stronger. It will knock some sense into him that they are not untouchable and have a better grip on reality. I think the people in the kingdom need him as their leader so I don’t think anything will change as far as that goes. (Yeah, if you read my answer, I’m of the same thought.  Losses create opportunities to learn and better yourself.)

Chris: I think, in the end, this will make him a better leader.  Having to deal with loss will make him stronger.  I think the role playing has to continue to keep morale up. (Imagine if they just stopped with the role playing and then out comes Jerry and like he didn’t get the memo.  That would be a funny scene at the very least.)

Raylene:  I think it just showed him as an inexperienced fighting leader . He did have the best of intentions for his people. Yes people will try to keep their life as normal as possible.  (Best intentions, sure.  I am surprised that he didn’t have any solid advisors, aside from Carol and the ghosts of Benjamin and Richard.)

Eric:  he is the king for a reason. he plays the part and people follow him. other character might “ step up” but he will always be the king (That’s the thing.  You can fool so many people that you are something that you are not, which I guess is the fake it til you make it, but it kinda goes deeper than that.  Yes, he’s made it, but more importantly, he did so good that people have legit bought into it.)

Kent:  I just hit myself in the face with a pillow accidentally and wished to share that knowledge with you.  I’m going to compare this a bit to a famous person, and it’s sports related, and I apologize, but the analogy should work.  Michael Jordan wasn’t always the greatest.  WHat made him great is that he had the natural progression of fighting to make the playoffs, then fighting, in some cases literally fighting to get past the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons who had their own “Jordan Rules” for ways to play MJ.  So he failed, it took like 5 seasons before he won his first championship.  He was cocky and he is the single most competitive person alive.  But losing definitely builds character.  Think about school, if you got just one question wrong, if you cared, you looked at what you did wrong and you attempted to learn from that mistake which makes you stronger.  To answer Brian’s question, I think the role playing must continue because it is incredibly effective in maintaining order.

 

  1.  A third or half of the Kingdom has been wiped out.  In hindsight, should they have gotten involved in this war?

Briana:  I still think it was necessary. Without them, they had no chance. And it seems like the plan is working. It’s war. Independence is never gained without casualty. They will rebuild and persevere.  (Great line about the independence.  I mean, it’s not Bill Pullman great, but it’s very good.  I just wanted an opportunity to mention Bill Pullman.)

Bob:  Yes. Of course – while they had weapons and confidence. (I think weapons and confidence, especially in this scenario, are equally important, so great point.)

Bitty:  Yes. They needed to be involved. They need to survive. If anything they were the most prepared. (I don’t know, those Oceansiders were really well prepared.)

Brian:  no they were surviving and even thriving before they were brainwashed by rick and his plot to hide his past.  (If anybody expected a different answer from Brian, you haven’t been paying any attention.)

Kristi:  Yes. They need to come together and defeat Negan. They should have planned better and had his speech been more realistic, they may have been better prepared though. (I loved the speech, but how many people just went in thinking that they were gonna run this town tonight?  How many realists were involved?)

Chris:  Of course.  Being under Negan’s rule, it was only a matter of time before people died.  (That’s something that hasn’t really been tackled well in this show.  How much does Negan value the people under him in The Saviors and the groups that work for him?  I wish they would delve deeper into his psychology.  You can’t just kill all of your suppliers, I mean The Governor would have, but I feel that Negan is smarter than that.(

Raylene:  Yes because they would have still been under Negan’s rule  (Is that such a bad thing?)

Eric:  the numbers were needed. They chose to fight the saviors. it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees.  (Seriously dude, you are coming out with some lines this week.  Keep this up.)

Kent:  Man, my questions suck this week because everybody is just in unison agreement.  When thinking about this, I had to determine what I felt The Kingdom’s main objective was.  Is it survival or to grow and rebuild.  While I believe it should be to survive, I feel that their objective is to grow so joining this war was the only option.  Damnit, I’m agreeing with people.  Booooooo.

 

  1.  At no point do you ever really fear for Rick or Daryl’s life and it makes certain scenes a tad silly due to lack of suspense.  Should the writers consider pulling a Game of Thrones and killing one of them to truly prove that anybody can die at any time on the show or is it too late in the show for that?

Briana:  No. I think what you’re saying makes sense and it would fulfill the storyline more realistically but it’s a show and those are our dudes, man! It’s definitely too late to pull that stunt!  (It is too late in the show to do it.  Nobody else is big enough to have the impact, but you can’t kill either.)

Bob:  That is a jump the shark move if I have ever heard one.  Ted McGinley. (Thank you for referencing Ted McGinley.)

Bitty:  If either Rick or Daryl die it has to be epic. I don’t think they’ll do it but that would be the only way it’d be acceptable. (They can do it in the final season no problem, but by then, it will have an entirely different meaning. On the plus side, a cleansing is coming next year.  There are going to be some sad people in this group.)

Brian:  yes but it needs to be believable deaths. Darryl needs to OD or Rick needs to do the right thing and realize that he should end his own life to save the rest of the people that follow him before his selfish ways kill them all. Perfect ending Darryl ods and as rick tries to revive him walker Darryl eats him.  (I wish Daryl still had some of Merle’s pills for when he had The Clap. On a related note, ACDC’s song “The Jack” is actually about how he got The Clap, but in Australia, they can refer to it as the Jack.)

Kristi:  Yes! It would definitely add suspense to it and give other characters the chance to really shine.(I know that you and I watch a lot of the same shows, so it makes sense for you to be on my side for this one.   Nothing will ever hit me as hard as Opie’s death in Sons.)

Chris:  I think it would be an amazing idea to kill one of them off.  If not one of them, someone really important (Carl/Michener/Maggie.).  Rick or Daryl dying would be a legit shock. (I hope you don’t get mad at me for not correcting the typo, but I love how Michonne turned to Michener.  I giggled.  I still think Maggie would be a huge swerve.  If they kill Carl, I am not sure if I would be as loyal of a fan.  He’s my favorite character along with Carol.  Carol I accept because I have zero expectations moving forward because she has long been dead in the comics, and was awful in the comics.  Carl’s character continues to improve in the comics, so I’d hate to see his demise.)

Raylene:  That would definitely spice this show up if they kill one of them. (And replace them with Sean Bean.)

Eric:  at this point the ratings would tank if Daryl or Rick were killed off. (Yeah, I think that decision now would be the death knell for the show.  Had they done in Daryl in season 4 or 5, I think they could have survived it.  I don’t think the show could ever survive without Rick.  It’d be like that 70’s Show when Eric (Topher Grace) left the show.  He was the main component.)

Kent:  They are in a damned if they do and damned if they don’t point.  I love this show, but I still talk to people who don’t like it or critique it because I still think that perspective is important.  It appears to me that one of, if not the biggest complaint is that it is very formulaic and that there are characters that are put in dangerous situations but there’s no suspense because nobody believes that a Rick, Daryl, or Maggie can die.  That whole thing worked for Breaking Bad because it was about one main character. And they made it only 5 seasons long.  It’s too late to make a positive impact as far as the viewing experience.  Still, this is a big reason why Game of Thrones holds more suspense because there are point where you think that Jaime, Tyrion, or even Dany flying on her dragon could get got.  That makes that show far more compelling.  Also, I want to really say that formulaic is a good term to describe TWD.  This season Ezekiel will be depressed and moody, last year it was Daryl, and the season before it was Carol, and so on.  There seems to the topic of humanity and where the line is for “too much” as far as defending yourself or group.  They are good themes, and completely justifiable given the context, but it does happen a lot, so the nay sayers aren’t wrong.  Millennials may refer to them as haters.  Don’t be that person.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  It appears that we will get to see Eugene next week, but still no Carl.  How many more episodes before he makes an appearance and what do you think he will be doing?  Have fun with this one people.

Briana:  Wow! I honestly forgot about him. How is that even possible? I can’t even remember where he is. He’s back at Alexandria right? (Yes, he should be at least since he’s in charge.)  So he’s definitely going to have been prepping for a potential backlash if the troops fail! He’s also dropped Judith on her head and now she’s got a lazy eye! (I think it’s funny how many things and theories I have read about Judith.  I have never seen a child character so mistreated by the fans in hilarious ways.  She’s doing better than she did in the comics, that’s fo sho.)

Bob:  Carl will have made new friends.  Much needed friends.  We will see him mid-season finale or the finale.  (Huh, like dude friends that say Bro way too often, or has he forged an alliance.  I need details.)

Bitty:  Carl will have strengthened Alexandria. He will have created a system of order and a new reign of warriors. Or he’ll have knocked up Enid. I mean come on now, what’s one more baby in the apocalypse that we’ll never hear from. (Babies aren’t a bother at all in the ZA.  Really, the only trouble that Judith caused was when Glenn and Maggie went to get baby formula and Merle captured them.)

Brian:  Arl will be at home going through puberty imagining things about his soon to be stepmom.  (This is a very realistic thing that people probably cringe at, but it’s totally true.)

Kristi:  In the following week. He will be kicking it with his friends, helping them learn to fight. (I seriously hope that he’s made friends.  He needs to.  I would love to see a Morgan and Carl buddy episode.)

Chris:  Wait , that wasn’t Carl riding around with Daryl?????  I just assumed he had another growth spurt….  (I laughed and thought that this was brilliant.)

Raylene:  Two episodes and he’ll have gone to hillside and gotten Enid pregnant  (Man, you girls want Carl to put it to Enid.  That’s weird.)

Kent:  I love that multiple people thought that he would naturally knock up Enid.  I honestly think that Enid may die, but that’s just a theory.  I imagine that he is still teaching himself how to drive, maybe do some doughnuts.  I also hope that he is training Kent to be a bigger bad ass, providing that Kent is still alive.  Also, if he sent out a crew to find Heath, I would be happy.

 

  1.  Last week I should have asked this, but I will ask it now.  If you take all characters, both past and present, what would be your dream one on one fight?  Bonus points if you choose 2 characters that were alive and relevant at the same time on the show.

Briana:  I don’t get the bonus points but I’m going with it anyway bc it would be awesome! Andrea vs Tara! (No, you get bonus points.  You are the only person that killed off Tara.  That’s worth or 5 gold stars!)

Bob:  Shane v. Negan  (Thought about it, loved it, I think Shane wins.  Negan was, well I don’t want to ruin what Negan was prior to the ZA, but he didn’t have the background that Shane did.  I will say this, Negan has an extra gear when it comes to fighting, so this would be fun.)

Bitty:  Sofia v Carl. If Sofia had lived this long would she be Carl’s equal?  (This was a really great one.  So we are assuming that Carol still has learned a lot of shit, except she is also still in mother mode.  She will have taught and trained Sophia.  I would give Carl the edge because that boy has taken 2 gunshots and still lived, but that would be fun.)

Brian:  Hershel vs negan standing on opposite hillsides watching their army’s battle it out. Or negan and the governor one on one.  (Would Herschel have both legs?  If we are doing season 4 Governor, which I think was his most dangerous, and Negan, I know Negan would have the strength advantage, but Governor was faster thinking and wirey.  That’s a damn fine fight.  I’m going to take  Governor in that one.)

Kristi:  Merle and Eugene.  (Eugene whoops Merle’s ass, obviously.  Merle would go for overhand chop with his knife, but his blade would get stuck in the Tennessee top hat and Eugene would have the advantage.)

Chris:  Eugene and Gregory!!!!!  There would be so much crying.  I would actually like to see Abraham and Shane throw down.  (First of all, Gregory seems like the kind of guy that would just try to wear out Eugene, except Eugen would take 2 steps and realize that he’s wasting energy.  It would be the worst draw ever, and hilarious.  Abe and Shane was my original answer.  2 years ago, I did a bracket tournament of fights between TWD characters, selected at random.  This was a match I thought a lot about.  I think Shane wins unless Abe gets under his skin with all of his one liners.  First to make a mistake loses situation.)

Raylene:  Dale and Hershel fighting to be the moral compass of the group  (Herschel has a shotgun with unlimited ammo.  Dale is afraid to use a gun or to kill people who may kill him and his group.  I’d still enjoy this.)

Eric:  I would have liked to see Michonne and Maggie fight. I think it would make a cool fight. I also would like to see Rick really fight neegan hand to hand.  (I believe Maggie to be a really good shot, but if Michonne closed the gap while Maggie was reloading, then Michonne wins.  I think Michonne takes that one, of course it depends on the terrain.  If Michonne has nowhere to run, or does she have her sword, does Maggie get a gun.  That is a matchup that is dependant on the variables.  I think Rick wins against Negan.  I have Negan losing every fight suggested.  I really wish I could say what he was prior to the ZA.  Rick has shown me that he will be as sadistic as possible, and while that may be true of Negan, I don’t think Negan is that great of a thinker on his feet.  He is more of a strategist.  That’s my take.)

Kent:  Tara vs Tyrese, Carl, Daryl, Merle, the Governor, Carol, Abe, T Dog, Enid, Judith, and Negan would be my dream fight.  One on one though, I would have liked  Rick and Governor to have had a legit one.  Andrea vs Maggie would have been fun.  I honestly could give you 50 match ups that I would like, but I also watch way too much wrestling.  Chris actually took my original answer of Shane vs Abe.  That would be something.  Merle with both hands vs Abe would be something.

Final Thoughts – Just for fun, what do you think this “plan” is that Rick is hatching with Daryl now that they have those crates?

Briana:  I’m digging this season but I won’t lie, 4 episodes and counting on the same day gives me a weird 24 vibe and that’s throwing me off! Ready to get back to Negan and Gabriel’s love trailer!!

Bob:  It’s all about the setup and sabotaging.

Bitty:  They only have 2 massive guns right? They didn’t take all the cases from the out building?? Who knows what the plan is but I’m thinking they don’t agree.

Brian:  get surprised when they realize the guns were damaged during the accident.. remember the gun was setup during the firefight.. so getting crushed by a roll over truck could happen.

Raylene:  Arming everyone in the three communities with weapons

Eric:  they are gonna decimate the saviors with two .50 cal machine guns. They can do some serious damage.

Kent:  I think the plan is to ship Aaron and Jesus….duh.  I felt so awful writing that.  Any plan I can think of simply amuses me.    I could see them wanting to take out the Scavengers and even arm Oceanside as a sign of good faith. We’re going to see Oceanside again, so I guess we have to accept it.  I do think Rick should offer Tara to be Negan’s wife so they can have a person on the inside……and then she is made an example of in the most brutal scene in AMC’s history.  Please!!!!

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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:3 “Monsters”

Well here we are with our 3rd straight action packed episode of the season.  Guys, you can slow it down and give us some Eugene and Carl.  That would be nice.  Eric and Morales got got this week and Morgan is going a little crazy.  Actually, this is a great song.  Listen to it while you read.  Any comments in bold are made by Kent.

The 9

  1.  Did you feel that Eric was more than just a background character?

Briana:  Not really, no. He was just a way to give Aaron’s character more depth.

Bob:  Appeasement to culture. (It actually amazed me how much pandering the comic does for this exact reason.)

Bitty:  I think Eric’s character was created to invest more in Aaron. Over the past 2 Seasons WD has tried to make us connect to Aaron. Honestly For Me i couldn’t even remember his name until last year. Now i see Aaron as human and compassionate, I think we’ll see a big Aaron arc because of the loss of Eric.  (You and Briana both hit it pretty solidly.  He was an Aaron enhancement character.  In the world of pro wrestling, Eric was the Brooklyn Brawler.  They use enhancement talents to take all of the moves and make another person look dominant, or in Aaron’s case, it gave him a bit more of a dynamic.  Plus in some ways it would be kinda weird to have all of these gay characters on the show and have none of them hook up.  Now if we can get Rosita and Sherry together…)

Brian:  I believe that they are attempting to make us like the band of murders. And if Aaron truly loved him he would not have allowed him to join the herd. And that may come back to bite him in the ass… hopefully literally lol  (Brian is pro ass biting.  We haven’t seen that in the show yet…..so maybe he’s on to something.)

Kristi:  He was always a background character for me.

Raylene:  No Eric was precisely that a background character. He wasn’t given much of a story other than being a househusband to Aaron. Poor character development on TWD part  (Very poor.  He was sadly better on Talking Dead than he ever was on TWD.)

Kent:  I felt that he was more of a character in the comics.  I didn’t really like Eric on the show and it was because he was rarely given much to do.  I would consider him more of a background character than a Tobin or Dianne.

 

  1.  Will Aaron raise Gracie?  If not him, then who?

Briana:  I didn’t get the impression he wanted to keep her, just that he wanted to get her to the Hilltop.  (Alas, I think you and Bitty are probably closest to the right answer in that he gets her there and she is perhaps never mentioned again.  I will say this, if I could get 10 – 1 odds on Gregory stealing Gracie and bringing her back to Sanctuary to get in Negan’s good graces, I would totally toss $10 down.)

Bob:  It’s going to have to be Aaron. (It appears that we are in the minority here in this belief.  Just keep it in mind so when it happens, we can do victory dance together.)

Bitty:  Hopefully Gracie will fall to the background at the Hilltop. Someone there will raise her. (Gracie will make for a wonderful background character.  Probably better than Eric.)

Brian:  Carol and Morgan raise grace as their own. After Carol uses her feminine powers to set him straight.  (I really do like this idea, but I fear for Morgan, so I am still on the Carol and Daryl train while also acknowledging the moment that Carol and Daryl decide to be romantic, one has to die that season.)

Kristi:  I don’t think so. It seems like he’s just at a loss and wants to help in some way. Carol or Maggie will probably raise her. (As long as Carol teaches her how to cook and tell scary stories, I am sold.)

Raylene:  I can see perhaps Maggie and Enid raising her. Although for a long shot Daryl getting her he did bond with Little Ass Kicker and was very invested in finding Sophia  (The Daryl thing would be nice in it’s own way.  He really took to Judith and him and Aaron have ate together.  Just sayin’.)

Kent:  I can come up with scenarios in which Enid, Carol, Tara, or a lesser known character takes her, but I think it’s going to be Aaron, and perhaps another gentleman down the line with magnificent hair and dreamy eyes…..Eugene.  OK, I went too far. (You went too far.)

 

  1.  Do you think that Rick and Daryl will start conflicting over Daryl’s new ways of shooting first and asking questions later?

Briana:  No. Darryl was right to shoot him and his explanation made perfect sense. This is what they came to do and Moralez would have killed them no problem if he’d not been told to spare Rick.  (I would have liked to know if Moralez would have still bored Rick with his 3 page monologue if he wasn’t waiting for backup.  These are questions I want answered.)

Bob:  Daryl killed the guy for having another gun I thought…?  (Nah, you’re right.)

Bitty:  Yes. You could feel the setup for that in their final scene. I’m dreading their demise. (Demise?  At worst they will have a heart to heart and get interrupted by something inane.)

Brian:  Rick is starting to realize that he is killing his former business associates. And Darryl is a junkie who is trying to keep his drug use at bay by killing those associated with his old dealers.  (THis all really makes a lot of sense week to week.  I love the story arc.)

Kristi:  No. Darryl is taking care of business.  Kill now, worry later. They have seen so many people turning on them. Why take the chance?  (There is zero reason to take the chance, but there’s always going to be the question of where’s the line.  The reality is that there is no line.  No true moral compass exists.  They just bring us back to that every season for conflict amongst characters.  This has been happening every single season, and I bet if you spend 3 minutes thinking, you can remember them.  Off the top of my head: 1 the CDC should I stay or should I go decision, 2 Dale & Shane with Randall, 3 What to do with the prisoners, 4 Rick trying to teach Carl when it’s ok to kill, 5 Glenn and Rick in Noah’s neighborhood, 6 Rick and Porch Dick, 7 Oceanside.)

Raylene:  Perhaps once the war is over then Rick will start to question Daryl’s motive but because of Daryl being held hostage by Negan he wants all Saviors to pay  (I don’t know if Rick can be the one who questions it.  That’s the problem.  Maggie sure as hell won’t.  This is kind of a bad story idea I think.  Hopefully they avoid this.)

Kent:  It seems like it is building up with all the things that Rick is seeing and doing.  There was the guy that Carl left food for, Gracie and then Morales, and I am sure that I am missing others.  Still, it’s war and Daryl is doing the smart thing.  This will be a discussion at some point, but they do something similar seemingly every season.  Some years Rick is overly sensitive and then Daryl is, and in season 10 Negan will be the hooker with a heart of gold.   Yeah.

 

  1.  Did Morales’ monologue alter your opinion or viewpoint of the Saviors?

Briana:  No. I can understand the perspective is different for them and that they think they’re justified in what they have to do to survive. But perception doesn’t always make you right. In the end, they’re forcing people to starve and struggle for their own benefit. That’s not ok. (It is kinda silly that we don’t get a good perspective of what other groups have done to survive aside from from bits and pieces.  They have made sure to tell us a lot about the Saviors though just so there is a big neon flashing sign above their HQ saying “These are the bad guys!!!!  All groups have done some less than desirable things I would speculate, although the Kingdom seemed to do well.)

Bob:  Not in the least.  I just don’t like Negan, the folks are probably okay.  (Is it because of Negan’s posture?)

Bitty: No. kill them all. I wish we heard more bout his time after leaving the original group. (Yes, that’s all I wanted from him is his travels from season 1 to now.  We all get the Savior’s perspectives.  Whether we agree or not is always an entirely different thing.  I would have enjoyed the opening video being of Morales’ voyage.  I could have done with one less gun fight.

Brian:  not at all. The saviors are taking people in and as long as they follow the rules they are allowed to create a home and have a successful life. Unlike the band of killers that is wandering through the countryside murdering anyone who is unlucky enough to cross their paths.  (I wish TWD would have done a fake 30 infomercial to advertise this season with Negan walking us through Sanctuary and talking about how he takes people in, like those feed the starving kids or any of the sad Sarah Mcla…… whatever her name is with the pet commercials.  That would have been such a good advertisement.)

Raylene: No that didn’t change my opinion of them but they are starting to show case that some of the Saviors are there because the choice was taken out of their hands it’s either join or die  (In a lot of cases, whether it’s said or not, whether the Saviors tell a person or group that, it is often join a group or die.  Just because they are bold enough to say it, I don’t think that’s a horrible thing.)

Kent:  No, it certainly didn’t.  I know that I am in the minority, but I still don’t think of the Saviors as the bad guys when looking at it objectively.  If anything, it further cemented my belief that if this show started off with Negan and showed us his journeys, he would be held in the same esteem as Heisenberg from Breaking Bad.

 

  1.  In the grand scheme of The Walking Dead, which character had the bigger impact: Morales or Eric?

Briana:  Morales was definitely more intense in the moment for us viewers but for the basis of the show, it would be Eric. The grief Aaron will deal with and the group’s grief. Morales was just there for a minute and then he wasn’t. (Aaron’s character arc moving forward will really be a testament to which answer is right here.  As we know, some deaths are more meaningful than others.  Poor TDog.)

Bob:  Eric.  He had air time on the show.  And culture. (Pop culture!)

Bitty: Eric had a bigger impact. Not during his life but during his death. (What a terribly lame ass death for Eric though.  He got the shaft and then he got screwed over in his zombie scene.)

Brian:  Morales. He got to Rick and showed him the errors of his ways. Eric was just a ploy to get us to think that the ricktards are kinda human. And if they truly liked Eric they would not of let him wander off. In the past the characters who meant something were not allowed to wander off.  (Okay, that is a huge point.  Nobody who mattered has ever been left to wander once bitten.  I was actually surprised it took this long for somebody to say it.)

Kristi:  Morales. Eric was boring for me. (He never got a chance to shine and his personality was laid back and whiny.)

Raylene: I have to say Morales because he had more character development in the first episodes of the show (Morales was actually kinda cool and a bad ass fighter in the few scenes we got of him.)

Kent:  Morales had more dialogue, but fueled nobody.  Eric’s death has unleashed Aaron to hopefully become the great character that he is in the comics.  Aside from Eugene, I would say that Aaron may also get a good strong story.

 

  1.  Should Maggie have let Gregory back in Hillside?

Briana:  I wouldn’t have! I’d have let him stay out and fend for himself or go back to his buddy Negan. (Would that have been better than keeping him in your line of sight?)

Bob:  Nope.

Bitty: Yes. He’s just a worm who Maggie may be able to use as a smoke screen in the future. (I don’t mind this theory.)

Brian: Yes he will be able to liberate the POWS and allow the return to their home after eradicating the evil enemy that is occupying their home.(We don’t see the word eradicating enough in this blog.  Thank you for bringing it back.)

Kristi:  No. I just cant stand him and sure as hell don’t trust him!  (boooo)    (haha)

Raylene:  Yes Maggie will make some use out of him (Like having Gregory and Jesus do entertaining 2 man shows for the Hilltop?  Sold!)

Kent:  Yes!  Gregory is surely sorry and he sounded contrite.  Let’s face it, Gregory is one of the 2-3 funniest guys on the show along with Simon and Eugene and sometimes Negan.  We NEED Gregory around as much as possible.  Gregory made me giggle a lot Sunday night and I need some levity in the midst of all the wasted ammo.  In all seriousness, how did nobody suggest that she take him in to kill him?  He’s a huge threat inside and out, so just get rid of him before he does more damage.)

 

  1.  Were you hoping that Morgan would kill the Saviors that escaped?

Briana:  Yes!! Jesus is getting on my nerves the last couple episodes. I mean that was a kick ass fight scene but Morgan was right. These people aren’t going to just assimilate to their society after they’re no longer prisoners.  (In theory I would say that your right (and I did accidentally type write the first time), but my fear is that you will take umbrage with what happens on the show in a very unrealistic way.  Hopefully I am wrong.)

Bob:  It seemed like he was going to, but I don’t like it when he is nuts.  (I love how Lennie does the performance, but I do like Morgan more when he is grounded because I feel like it makes him tougher.)

Bitty:  yes that was my thought however the fight between Jesus and Morgan was the best match up in a long time. (So I just sat here thinking about best fights in the show’s history and am kicking myself in the nuts for not asking everybody’s favorite fight scene in the show’s history.  Probably next week I will ask.  I am trying to think of good ones and the best I can think of is Rick vs Shane season 2, Rick vs Porch Dick Season 5 or 6, Glenn vs Nicholas, Michonne vs Governor, and I feel like Merle was in one or 2.  Super Daryl doesn’t count.  Also, Tyrese vs Rick and Daryl simultaneous!)

Brian:  No and I’m glad that our turncoat Jesus beat him down to save the lives of those pour souls. That are being held against their will.  (Right?  Nobody is thinking about all the families that are being torn apart by this.)

Kristi:  Yes! Do away with them. They are just going to end up being a bigger problem in the future. (You may not like where this is going.  Sheer speculation on my part.)

Raylene:  I wanted him to at least get Jared because let’s face it he’s going to cause trouble sooner than later  (I think that if they executed Jared, it would have helped keep everybody else in line.  But no, I do not want Jared dead.  He is one of the best characters on the show.)

Kent:  Absolutely!  I love the killing machine version of Morgan.  Even more so, crazy Morgan is amazing.  He snaps, and I truly admire the job that Lennie James has done with this character.  Keeping those Saviors alive is not a bargaining chip, it’s simply a liability.  I understand the endgame for when the war is over, but I wouldn’t risk it.

 

  1.  Is there any benefit to keep the Saviors alive, per Jesus’ plan?

Briana:  I mean maybe if Negan wants to make a deal for hostages but even that isn’t a big enough benefit to actually keep them. I say they went to kill them all, kill them all!  (That’s something that I feel is overlooked.  Negan would make some kind of deal to get his men back because they are the backbone of his operation, especially with so many casualties.  I hope that this gets brought up in show.  I doubt it will.)

 

Bob: 

  (Yeah, nobody is topping that response.  Fantastic.)

Bitty:  If i try to see the war from Jesus’ viewpoint maybe some of the Saviors want out. Maybe they can be used for good in the future. (Really, that is the whole crux of Jesus’ beliefs is that some people had no choice and would like to have one when ALL OUT WAR is finished.  You’re welcome AMC.)

Brian:  Of course Jesus is a plant by Negan to spy on the Ricktards. He is helping save the saviors. (I’ve got to say, that would be a stroke of genius.  A stroke of Jesus’ lovely hair.)

Raylene:  Perhaps the ones that were just the workers not the henchmen   (Soooo, how are you going to find out who was who?  Are they going to confess?)

Kent:  Yeah, so that they have characters to run the Sanctuary after the war. That’s the real answer.  In the moment, hell no.

 

  1.  Was Ezekiel too arrogant or cocky for his own good?

Briana:  Maybe but I like to think he was more just impossibly optimistic rather than cocky. It made me so sad watching all of his men jump on top of him, taking his bullets. He definitely celebrated too soon. They should have checked the building before hanging around as if it were over.  (I especially didn’t enjoy seeing the ginger dude die.  This is becoming a serious epidemic of back to back seasons with a ginger death.)

Bob:  Yeah, he rode that wave a little high.  “Not lose one of our ranks.”  Stick to victory – because by saying you won’t lose anyone, that means you lost and the mentality of your group.. Or the morale will decline.  (This felt like me saying “Not one single goal allowed to the Disciples, let’s shut em out 92-0.  Then The Disciples score the first goal and I hang my head in shame.)

Bitty: No. I don’t think he was being arrogant at all. He was playing a role. He was being a leader. He was acting. However everyone has a breaking point. (Yeah, I do believe that he was doing what he could and thought was right, especially in his role.  People can easily forget that this was just a dude who worked at a zoo a few years ago.)

Brian:  The “King” is leading his flock to slaughter. His gut knows that life was simpler when they were helping Negan and the Saviors lead a peaceful life. Now he’s in way over his head and is way past the point of no return.  (Let’s consider that.  It did seem like life was way more peaceful prior to Carol and Morgan showing up.  Is Carol playing the role of Yoko here?)

Kristi:  Nope. He has a tiger and is considered a King! He should be arrogant. (I was getting worried as you hadn’t mentioned Shiva all blog.)

Raylene:  No he was neither just very inexperienced in fighting with the Saviors  (He doesn’t strike me as a guy that ever got into more than one fight his whole life prior to the ZA.)

Kent:  Yeah, definitely arrogant and complacent. The rules of war and horror are very similar. Boasting in any capacity will get you got. Still, I love to hear him. Carol is still the smart one.

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Pick a character that doesn’t get much screen time that you would like to see or hear more of this season.

Briana:  Negan! It irritates me that he hides during most of the crazy shit that goes on! Come out coward and fight like the man you pretend to be! Lol!  (I’m all for more Negan time. I do like him though, so for me it’s without the negative connotations.)

Bob:  Simon.(YES!  We all deserve a bit more of Simon.)

Bitty:  Oceanside!! (I may have said this just to humor a certain Kball)  (Well since you did this with your boob out, I will let this slide.  Bonus points of breastfeeding!  I also dread going back to Oceanside, but I feel that it is inevitable.)

Brian:  Eugene… he knows….. he knows what Rick truly is…. Abraham told him during their many lonely nights together… he knows all…. (I agree that Eugene reads everyone incredibly well.  While I did say that this would be his season, it may not be in effect until the second half.  We need more of the Tennessee Tophat!)

Kristi:  Eugene and Negan. This season is about them taking him down. I would like to see more of them. (So you don’t want 4 more hours of gun fights?  AMC disagrees!)

Raylene:  Jadis and her people  (Well if we don’t get more of her, you can always watch The Badlands again, or The Woman, or The Exam, or I think she was in Tales From Halloween.  I really like her as an actress.)

Kent:  Dianne is my answer here.  I could go for more insight on Gavin, Tobin, and Arat.

 

  1.  With 13 remaining episodes of this season, how many of them will be these episodes with lots of gun fights that resemble an action flick?

Briana:  I would say at least ⅓-½ of them! They’ve been hyping this up to be the most action packed season in a long time so I’m holding them to it! Lol!  (It appears that they don’t intend on letting you down.)

Bob:  Ugh, too many…..  (Seriously, doesn’t it feel like the first 3 episodes has just been one long action film and not much else?)

Bitty:  We will have action episodes thru mid season. (That makes me a saaaad panda.)

Brian:  I hope that it continues to be exciting but they need to be more realistic. The gun fights seem to be designed by the left wing that believes semi automatic firearms never need reloading and each magazine holds an infinite amount of bullets. (Say what???  This is nothing new.  I present to you this gem.)

Kristi:  8. Wishful thinking here. (Yike, that worries me.)

Raylene:  4 (4 is not your friend.)

Kent:  5 is my answer.

Final Thoughts

I found this at IMDB.com.

Briana:  What’s happening with Negan and Gabriel!!!??? It’s making me crazy that they left it the way they did and haven’t gone back yet! Also, I hope Morgan doesn’t go too far! I’m pretty concerned for his well being at this point and if he wanders off for too long, he may not come back.

Bitty:  Favorite Quotes of the episode:

“Officer Friendly died right along with them” Morales

“We’re the same. Everybody turns” -Morgan

“I did not eat those pancakes!”-Gregory (Gregory was so great in that bit of his.  Also always glad to hear somebody say Officer Friendly.  I miss Merle.)

Brian:  Here are my thoughts.. Negan was distributing the blue meth on the east coast. Rick and Abraham were part of the distribution network. Ezekiel was also part the network selling to the theatre crowd and stealing animal tranquilizers. Jesus is an undercover agent who worked with the DEA to bring down Negan but has grown to realize that Negan has provided order during the chaos and is a respectable leader. Now this blue meth is the secret to stopping this virus. So the fight is on to find Jesse to save the planet. (Wasn’t Rick already boning Jessie?  Oh, wrong Jesse.  Nope, your story checks out.)

Raylene:  Where the hell is Eugene?

Kent:  I want to see Gregory with his own show or do a spin off. Something. The guy is just so damn charismatic. He’d be the perfect wrestling manager for the bad guys.  Starting next week, I hope to be getting questions from the contributors of this blog to add some dimensions to what you read. Also, if you go to IMDB, I find the pics that they are using for Ep 4 and 5 to be a tad odd.  Go there at your own risk, but it is kinda odd to say the least.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1520211/episodes?season=8

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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:2 “The Damned”

We are back to dissect “The Damned” which featured the return of the loveable…..or totally forgotten character named Morales, and lots and lots of action.   We need plot development damnit!  Today, we have a nice lineup of featured commentators, and I thank them for their time and sacrifice.  There’s a theory that every time somebody answers a question at 9Deuce.com, a spider dies.  So keep up the exxxxxcellent work.  Any comments in bold is from Kent.

The 9

  1.  Should we start fearing for Morgan’s life after he made his declaration?

Briana:  Well yeah! That was my first thought! He’s dead now bc he said he doesn’t die! Lol! Plus, it feels a little like Glen to me. Reminiscent of the dumpster maybe dead thing and then he’s not dead and then he gets killed!  (Please…..pretty please, let’s never have another dumpster incident that makes zero sense ever again.)

Bob:  No.  Morgan has a true war mentality.  You can be the most effective killer with the belief that you yourself cannot die.  (That’s just like me playing Deathrow against the Convicts….well close.)

Bitty:  I really feel like as long as Rick is alive so will Morgan be. They keep each other grounded. (Rick can’t die. It’s in Andy’s contract.

Brian:  Nope that man is a ghost living amongst the mortals.  (That was damn near poetic.)

Kristi:  I’m worried for him. Why did he have to go and say Morgan doesn’t die!?  (As I noted in my response, Andrea says something similar in the comic and it becomes somewhat of a mantra for her and Rick, so I think that’s why he said it.  I miss Eastman.)

Chris:  I’m not sure.  I like Morgan as a character.  He’s so conflicted.  I’m hoping that if he does end up dying that he finds some kind of peace.  (I don’t think Morgan gets enough credit as one of the better done characters, and of course Lennie James is a great talent.)

Raylene:  I say yes unfortunately that was a pretty bold statement to make. He lives with his demons daily and at times he was the moral compass. (Moral compasses do well in TWD.  Just look at Gabriel saving Gregory!)

Eric:  He knows his time is limited. But he doesn’t act impulsive. (I like that so many of things he does seem rationalized, like he at least thought before doing.)

Kent:  Well, in the comic, Andrea said something similar.  She lasted a hell of a lot longer than Morgan did in the comics, as he would already be gone.  So natural instincts suggest that he’s a goner at some point this season. I think he still has 1 or 2 full seasons ahead of him.  When the quiet ones come, then I will start worrying.

 

  1.  Should we start to fear for Eric’s life or will he be fine?

Briana:  Again, another one I totally expected to die in the episode. It would be really sad but that’s why it will probably happen.(We haven’t had a sad death in a while.  We are totally due!)

Bob:  Oh, dead.  Deader than dead.  He was dead at his inception of the show. (You’re right.  If you look through the history of the show, there’s been a handful of people that were instantly identifiable as one borrowed time.  I always felt that way with Noah, Dale, Bob, Otis, and so many more.  By the way, I have seen Otis in 2 things this past week: Stranger Things season 2 and The Devil’s Candy which also starred Ethan Embry who played Carter in TWD. )

Bitty: Dead. And probably Aaron too. (Aaron will be fine.  Jesus needs a man in his life unless they plan on turning Daryl’s character gay.)

Brian:  yup hes a goner.

Kristi:  He will probably live. I feel like them making seem like he will die means he is going to live.  (You and Chris are of the same mindset, which I find surprising, but I am all for something surprising to me, like the Scavengers turning.  Surprises are great!)

Chris:  I have a feeling he’s going to pull through.  This seems like one of those “Walking Dead” things where they make you think someone is going to die, only for them to miraculously survive.  Eric also needs more screen time so that people become more invested in him, otherwise his death won’t mean much.  (The odd thing is that somebody like Tobin has had more, and better screen time than Eric, who is definitely a more important character in my opinion.  Also, where the hell is Kent?  I haven’t seen him all season.)

Raylene:  I don’t think Eric is made for the combat life. Scouting may be more his thing. I think he’ll die if he has to be fighting more. (He is a better scout, but Aaron is such a better recruiter.  I wish they had done more with his character, as Chris mentioned.)

Eric:  Gut wounds are very hard to treat without modern technology.  He can bleed out very fast.  He is most likely a goner  (I know that this is an odd tie in, but there was a film in 93 called A Perfect World.  It was really good, at least to me, and had Kevin Costner and Clint Eastwood.  My point is, in the film, there is a gun shot to the belly and your comment reminded me of that.

Kent:  He dead.  This is kinda spoiler-ific, so skip to the next question if you don’t want my theory.  I won’t be offended.  In the comic, they did a scene where Abe’s woman, Holly, ended up getting caught during this assault on Sanctuary.  Negan brings her back, and she has a sack over her head.  When they remove the hood, Denise is busy patching up Heath.  Holly then bites Denise and she tends to Heath’s wound before dying.  Soooooo, with that knowledge, it is very easy to see something similar play out.  Gabriel gets returned with a bag over his head and he ends up biting somebody who is tending to Eric’s wound, let’s say and hope it is Tara.

 

  1.  Whose side were you on between Tara and Jesus?

Briana:  I hate to ever agree with Tara’s dumbass but definitely her. We’ve learned from our mistakes here people. If you go to a place to kill everyone, you kill everyone dammit!  (That was the most mean spirited reply about Tara, so you definitely got a point.)

Bob:  In this world on the show, Tara.  POWs take resources and manpower which the Axis of goodness does not have.  I would bet this is part of Negan’s plan.  Also, like any POW, you are to resist and attempt escape to keep enemy resources from being used effectively.  (I loved how you put this into some real perspective.  That is the type of critical thinking I enjoy. You are spot on here.)

Bitty:  Tara! Take them out. Anyone at an outpost is more than a “worker”. (I gotta disagree here.  I definitely feel that there are people who are simply workers because it’s that or Lucille.  Look at Oceanside…or don’t.  Fudge that place!)

Brian:  Tara.. KILL THEM ALL Jesus is too soft.  (I feel that you would be a good apocalypse companion.  I would not be.)

Kristi: I dont care for Tara but Im on her side here. Jesus is being way too emotional about this. They would have no problem taking them out. I think they need to think the same way. (Have we gotten past the whole point of having some humanity?  I would say yes, but it’s a good talking point nonetheless.)

Chris:  This is tough.  I agree with both of them in some regards.  It would seem smarter to just kill the Saviors.  (Jesus does have a valid point.  I’m actually surprised that nobody here sided with him.  )

Raylene:  I have to say I agree with Tara killing them is just the way to go  (She was good on Talking Dead though after.)

Eric: In that instance, Tara. They were there to clear the building and take no hostages.  Jesus was in the wrong and it almost got both of them killed.  (Much like Morgan, I enjoy the term clear.)

Kent:  This was the meanest thing that I have done to any of you.  I asked a question that practically forced you to agree or take Tara’s side.  Kudos to Bri for calling her a dumbass.

 

  1.  How excited are you to see Morales back?

Briana:  I wouldn’t say excited but I am definitely intrigued! It took me a minute to realize who he was and then I had to explain it to the rest of my house. He doesn’t seem to have any loyalty to the original group though so I’m interested to see where this leads.  (I also had to explain.  I wish they would elaborate on the Vatos some day, but the deleted scene in the season 2 opener did explain it.)

Bob:  I forgot about him.

Bitty:  Who? Now you know I’m not the only one who had to google him then re-watch his episode to remember him. I’m excited to hear his back story and where he’s been.

Brian:  It plays well with my point of view that Rick was a dirty cop under Negan’s control and now there maybe someone else who knows Rick’s secret.  (I really do love this theory.)

Kristi:  I have a hard time remembering characters, so I really don’t remember him.

Chris:  I’m excited, but I’m curious how many people remember him.  A friend of mine who has watched every season didn’t remember him.  I’m sure we’ll get some backstory next week.  (I really would enjoy a backstory for him and his family.  I always wished that we had gotten more stories on certain characters, and he was gone from the show before they could elaborate.  I always wanted more on Milton, Shumpert, and T Dog.)

Raylene:  Sure let’s see how this stuff plays out I am curious if it’s just him or if the wife and kids have survived.

Eric:  I was for a split second. But his actions kinda ruined it. I hope he reconsiders his turncoat ways. Though his actions do bring up the “ Rick is the villain” thought  (it’s all about perspective.  I actually don’t think that they can ever give us Negan’s backstory for fear of having too many fans empathize with him.)

Kent:  Hell yeah I was excited!  I know some of you feel that he is kinda betraying Rick, but he’s not from my perspective.  He was part of a group and knew Rick for like 3 days.  Technically, it was Shane’s group or Dale’s at the time.  Now it is Rick’s group, but at the time, Rick was just another father and husband.  We all have a certain amount of affinity towards Rick, well maybe not Brian, but that shouldn’t skew our perspective of how things played out back then.

 

  1.  Did it seem like Mara allowed that walker to just bite her without any fight whatsoeve?

Briana:  A little bit, yes. It was like she realized, they’ve won and just gave into it.

Bob:  I blame tonic immobility and panic.

Bitty:  Yes. I think she knew her jig was up.

Brian: She realized that she was caught in the trap and the only way out was to join the herd

Kristi:  It did seem like she allowed it. You see her hand kinda grab his arm, as if she is accepting it.

Chris:  I think she just didn’t see it in time.  By the time she saw it, it was already on top of her.

Raylene:  Yes she was looking around realizing what was happening I figured she’d been more alert of her surroundings  

Eric:  I think that she was so shocked with the tactic of letting her friends turn to walkers, she didn’t have proper time to react. Plus I don’t think she was a true fighter like the rest of ricks group

Kent:  I agree with most of you to varying degrees.  Some of you seem to think that it was more her giving up or accepting her fate, and others think of it was a shocked or delayed reaction due to everything happening on the spur of the moment.  I really thought that she was beyond overwhelmed mentally and she simply froze and by the time she could react, what was the point?  Almost in too deep.  I watched the death like 8 times.  Don’t judge me.

 

  1.  Is it smart to take all of these Saviors as prisoners?

Briana:  Of course not! Again, we’ve been down the prisoner road with people like them and it just doesn’t work. They are brainwashed into thinking this is how life is supposed to be now and I don’t think they can change many of them from that belief.  (Seriously, how many times have we gone down this road?  I can offer multiple instances, but aside from Michonne, Axel, the black prisoner dude who I really liked, Aaron, and Jesus, prisoners haven’t been great.  Randall comes to mind.)

Bob:  Not at all.  Tiger food.  (Shiva approves this message.)

Bitty:  Hell no. I don’t like the idea. Unless there is another plan for them. (I would be intrigued if it was a good plan.  Then I look back to the people that they took in from Woodbury and then think, wow, they are all dead!  Plans tend to fail in this show.)

Brian:  I like the idea. It gives my man Negan and his innocent people the ability to have friends behind the enemy lines.  (I am very curious about your perspective on Eugene with Negan.  We need to talk soon and have a few drinks.)

Kristi:  They should just take them out. I don’t think them having that many people that are against them around is wise. Just a big group that can plot against them. (This group should know better.  Look how well Terminus went.  They should all be dead, but Gareth and the Termites were stupid and it’s like history repeating itself, only it’s with “our group”.)

Chris:  I don’t think so.  The saviors are very dangerous and deceptive.  While they may have helpful info, I doubt they will be very sharing.  (Right?  If you were captured, honestly, you are probably a happy Savior working and obeying the rules and surviving.  Then Rick’s jerkoff group shows up and ruins everything.)

Raylene:  Nope kill them all  (Even Jared?)

Eric:  Hostages only complicate things. Anyone showing aggression needed to be put down.  These people already showed what they can do.  (How often do hostages truly help somebody?  I wish there was some statistical analysis.  If TV and films are any indication, you almost always get caught or die when you bring hostages into play.)

Kent:  Unfortunately, while there are probably some who would be happy to work towards a happy common goal, the way that this has gone down, they can’t ever trust Rick’s group.  So stab them all, no bullets because they used all of them on Negan’s windows like morons.

 

  1.  Will Jared (the long haired guy that has long antagonized people and is in Gavin’s group and used to mess with Richard) make it to the midseason finale alive?

Briana:  Well even after your description and googling him, I can’t figure out his role in all this so I’m going to say no, he won’t lol!  (Sorry, I tried my best to describe him, but I didn’t do a great job.)

Bob:  Yes, and he will even kill someone important contrary to some orders or expectations. (I can see him taking out Morgan, Diane, or even Shiva.  Boy, that would piss some people off, myself included.  I really like Diane.)

Bitty:  Are we really talking midseason finale? Didn’t this season just begin? How many episodes in this season… and no hopefully he’ll go down in next episodes walker raid. (There are 8 episodes per half season.  Two have gone past, so he has 6 more to live or die for the question.)

Kristi:  I don’t think so, but I’m often wrong so probably. (That’s pretty much my luck and thought process, so you are not alone.)

Chris:  I sure hope not.  I didn’t think he was going to live through that scene!  (I was so engaged in the show that I was convinced that he was going to get got by Morgan.  It makes more sense for him to live to be the spokesman for the hostages.)

Raylene:  Nope I don’t think he will I believe Morgan may even get the kill  (I hope so.  Morgan deserves it in a way to do it in honor of Benjamin.)

Eric:  I think he needs to go away.  He had already caused enough problems. And will only prove to be a danger in the future   (Some people just don’t deserve to live, in my opinion, and this dude really doesn’t deserve to, which is why he’s a good character I suppose.)

Kent:  Jared seems like he will get got by some unforeseen circumstances.  Not by Morgan or Ezekiel, but random walker attack.  I think when he des die, it will feel incredibly satisfying and therapeutic to most fans.

 

  1.  This was a fairly action packed episode.  Did it feel exciting for you or rather dull?

Briana:  A little of both, I get that it was intended to be exciting but it was mostly a bunch of shooting that led to no where so part of me was quite dissapointed. Loud does not equal exciting! (I agree with you.  If we knew more of Negan’s people then a shoot out is exciting.  Right now it’s like watching Han Solo shooting a bunch of nameless Storm Troopers.  We have no real reason to care about these people living or dying.)

Bob:  A second episode where I could choose to stop watching.  The hammer-cock at the end had zero effect and impact.  Anyone can disarm a guy with a gun that close, FYI. (I was wondering that same thing about the disarming.  It seemed a tad sloppy, but this wouldn’t be the first time that the show got sloppy.  Carol and Daryl in the falling ambulance is still the funniest one.)

Bitty:  I’m a fan of the action of course but looked at the clock 31minutes in and was shocked how fast the episode was going!! I hate when the episode is slow but hate when it flies by. I have trouble finding a middle of the road episode. (It went by way too fast in my opinion.  I dread checking my watch when viewing the show.)

Brian:  Dull. Rick is a basket case and will let his desire to hide his past lead him to his death at the hands of Carl.  (We really need to get you writing some TWD fan fiction.)

Kristi:  I enjoyed it. It was exciting.

Chris:  Tons of action!  It was great to see a lot of the lesser known characters get into the action. (I will say, I really did like to see some of the lesser characters get some shine, especially Eric.  I don’t like his character too much, but someone like Tobin and Francine got to shine.  Unfortunately, so did Tara.)

Raylene:  I know they have to build up the story line but I have been rather bored

Eric:  it was. I enjoyed it. I wish they were all like this.  (I think it is fair to assume that Eric enjoys action flicks.)

Kent:  I felt that this was too much action for a follow up to the action from the season premiere.  The pace is too much and not in a good way like Game of Thrones was.  With so many characters, if we are going to have action packed episodes, lots of people need to die so they don’t have to tell as many stories.  I liked it, but could go for some episodes where they do 3 different stories throughout.  That is when it flows at it’s finest.

 

  1.  Do you like it when Ezekiel is playing his king role or when he goes out of character briefly?

Briana:  It is nice to see him laid back once in a while but I think at this point, the king is who he is. I think the people we pretend to be are the people we want to be deep down. And after a certain point, it’s no longer an act. So as much as I enjoy laid back Ezekiel, Long Live The King Y’all!  (Thank you for including the y’all.  It was needed and appreciated.)

Bob:  Fake it til you Make it.  I love it!!  (That’s been Russell’s mom’s motto from the beginning.  It had to be said.)

Bitty:  LOVE IT! We immediately rewound it twice just to hear him. Team Ezekiel all the way. (Team Ezekiel?  The hell is this?  You going to say #EzekielStrong next?)

Brian:  This show is full of people playing different people to hide their pasts. I wish others would be as honest as he is. (I really loved this response and now I don’t even like my response.)

Kristi:  Both! He is the shit! What ever role he is in, I am always happy to see him on the screen. (You’re right.  He is an absolutely delight to watch.  In a show full of great acting talent, he still stands out in a positive way.)

Chris:  I like both.  Those moments when he drops his character just make him better.  He’s the best character on the show!  (I can’t argue with that.  I am still incredibly fond of a few others slightly more like Carl, Carol, and Morgan, but still, he’s in the conversation, so that speaks volumes.  I hope that h is around for a good amount of time.)

Raylene: I do enjoy when he shows both sides  (He does both in such interesting ways.)

Eric:  I like him in his “King “ role. I feel when he breaks character, it kinda ruins the fantasy he has built.  (I have been trying to figure out if he is doing it to charm Carol or if he does it because he knows that Carol sees through it.)

Kent:  I will say the King role because with that comes Jerry, and Jerry is fucking awesome.

Bonus Deuce

  1.   Will we see “Super Daryl” next week?

Briana:  Hmmm.. I hadn’t thought about it. We are definitely due for some crazy Darryl action! He’s been broken and beaten and this episode, he got a reminder of that. He will either use that to fuel the fire or retreat, in going with fuel!  (The fact that he was broken seems like the perfect thing to get him back in his Daryl groove.)

Bob:  I don’t really know what to expect.  I figure we may see some awesome escape.

Bitty:  it’s due.

Brian:  Darryl is a tool!!!  (Man, you just upset some female readers.  I salute you for that.)

Kristi:  I think Super Darryl is long gone. Ever since Beth, he just seems like a softy. Its gotten to the point that he just bugs me. ( i go back to the Daryl and Beth episode where they burned the house down as the point where Daryl lost it.  I hated that episode, still my least favorite.  I also didn’t like Beth unless she was singing some Tom Waites.)

Chris:  We haven’t had super Daryl in a bit, so it’s probably time again 😒

Raylene:  Yup we’re due for some ridiculous Daryl action

Eric:  He spent so much time being a hostage, I’m glad to see him “Back”

Kent:  It’s going to happen.  I guarandamntee it.  And if I am wrong, you will have long forgotten my stupid words.

 

  1.  Should we start fearing for Tobin’s life?

Briana:  The type of character he is, of course. He could go at any time.

Bob:  Red Shirt on borrowed time.

Bitty:  We always should fear for everyone’s life… duh it’s the apocalypse.

Brian:  I think he will stick around

Kristi:  I’m more concerned for the tiger. (As you should be.)

Chris:  I think pretty much anyone could die this season, and the lesser known ones are more likely to die.  I’m sure a main character will die at some point too.

Raylene:  Yes especially if they start giving him more screen time

Eric:  no one is safe.

Kent:  So this was just a running joke for me if I am going to be honest.  I was waiting for somebody to call me out for asking the same question 3 times.  This episode was not very deep from a story standpoint, so I had to resort to it.  The fact that all of you went along with it, I thank you.  Tobin lives the thug life.  That dude ain’t dyin’.

 

Final Thoughts

Brian:  Rick is losing control of both his mental state and the ability to clearly lead. At this point his desire to find a cure is being blinded by the need to keep his past hidden. I think he knew this virus was about to hit and feels guilty that he did nothing to stop it. Now he must live with the guilt of being the cause of this world and hide the fact that his one time boss Negan knows his secrets.

Kristi:  What’s up with the baby and why didn’t Rick take her? He’s just going to take all the adults and leave the baby? That confused me. (I’m hoping that Kent is taking care of Judith.  He seems like a good father figure.)

Raylene:  As in wrestling I’m ready for some heel turns

Eric:  All that gun fire….not a single reload. 30 round magazine going full auto will only last a few minutes. I would have like to have seen more technical work with the rifles.  (This made me laugh out loud for a bit.  It reminded me of the season 2 finale with Herschel having unlimited ammo in his shotgun.  You are very on point here.)

Kent:  Can we please get some more Eugene and Carl?  Also…….Kill Tara!!!

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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:8 Ep:1 “Mercy”

We get to kick off season 8 with Episode 100 called “Mercy”.  Did it live up to our own personal hype or did it fall flat like Judith’s character learning to walk?  I am joined by a plethora of people who all have very different opinions, and any comments that you see in bold are from me because apparently some people like to read my awful opinions or insults.  I truly appreciate everybody’s dedication to keeping this thing going.  Thank you.

The 9

  1.  Who gave the best opening war speech: Rick, Maggie, or Ezekiel?

Briana:  Ezekiel is always entertaining but I think Rick was the one who really inspired everyone (and then failed to follow through with anything he said… but that’s another question I’m sure lol)  (Yeah, the follow through was incredibly questionable, if not entirely disappointing in it’s own way.)

Bob:  Ezekiel.  That’s the kind of war speech I would want to hear and the kind of energy I would want to hear.  Rick’s was arrogant and prideful.  No one truly goes into a battle to die under the cause of we have already won.  People go into battle to be victorious and to actually win.  That was Ezekiel’s outlook.  (You almost convinced me.  I feel that passionate stories of Rick Grimes has spread at this point so people know what he did to Claimer Joe, so I would hope that people would just be roused by that alone.  I mean, guy with tiger is inspirational, but guy who has survived gun shots, stabbings, biting off people’s flesh, and putting down little barn girls would still win me over.)

Bitty:  Ezekiel. In the premier and the after show!!  (OK, he stole the after show.  Andy and Jeffrey were good, but Khary stole that show, no doubt.)

Chris:  Ezekiel.  

Raylene:  I would say it has to be Ezekiel.  Although this would have worked fantastic.  (If we can get him doing that shit to Negan, he would become everybody’s favorite character.)

Eric: Rick. It’s full of anger and revenge towards Neegan. (Yeah, I really enjoyed the softer spoken speech, reminded me of some Jake the Snake Roberts stuff.)

Kent:  Maggie!!!  Ha, I’m just playing.  I asked this question to illustrate something.  Ezekiel is everybody’s new play thing that seems funky fresh and so I assumed he would get some love.  I did not anticipate that 4 out of 6 people would choose him, but point illustrated.  Nobody wants to answer with the old tired play thing in Rick, but he is the right answer.  Ezekiel just had more charisma, but Rick’s felt more passionate to me, and he has more on the line.  Also, had Ezekiel given us a speech along these lines, he would have been my choice by default.

  1.  Who’s grave is Rick looking at throughout the episode?  Is Rick crying because of a death or something else perhaps?

Briana:  I assumed it was Glenn and Abe. This would only be like the second time he’s been able to visit their graves. And let’s face it, they are a big reason they’re doing this.

Bob:  I will say Maggie’s grave and the one next to her is the baby’s grave.  I think she dies during childbirth.  (I still say that she should have gotten Lucille instead of Abe.  I feel that Carol is such a better leader and would have been better in the comic role that Maggie has.  If you’re right, I will absolutely give you props.)

Bitty: I thought those were the graves of Glenn and Abraham. He is crying out of remorse.

Chris:  I’m going to say Maggie.  Obviously there’s no way to know yet.  It could have been a character who had died previously.  (Two of you going with Maggie.  Man, both of you guys have got me thinking, and i am totally digging it is that’s the case.)

Raylene:   I’m going with the obvious one and saying Father Gabe

Eric:  Those are the graves for Glen and Abraham.

Kent:  I think it is Father Gabriel’s grave.  While I see a lot of you have said Glenn and Abe, that appeared to be in Alexandria, which is not where Abe is buried, and I don’t remember about Glen.  Secondly, the stained glass above Rick I felt was indicative of church perhaps.  Thirdly, we have Gabe’s impending “Shitting his pants” doom. Finally, we don’t know the time frame of those shots, so I am passing on the Glen and Abe grave train. I felt this summed up my responses to Bri, Bitty, and Eric, and if you’re right, well you get to make sure to remind me that I am an idiot.

  1.  When the group assaulted the Sanctuary, was it smart to use all of that ammunition to prove a point?  Also, how did they not bring a sniper to take out Negan?

Briana:  Ugh! The entire point was supposed to be “only one person has to die” instead it was only one person has to talk our way out of killing that one person who has to die! Rick had so many chances to take him out and end it all. I mean I don’t necessarily hate that they shot the whole building out, but I do hate that they didn’t just kill Negan right then and there.  (It felt like the whole point of the journey was forgotten fairly quickly.  I guess that doesn’t make for great TV.)

Bob:  Killing the person Negan does not destroy the idea of Negan.  A thought is more influential and persistent than a person.  They might just start calling themselves Simon.  (I giggled at the Simon line.  While I agree with you that the idea of Negan and the Saviors is more than one person’s life, I do wonder who would take over if Negan had gotten taken out in that moment.  Let’s face it, Simon is smart but not tough, while Gavin may be slightly tougher, or at least have youth, but seems like a dumbass.  Arat was nowhere to be found, and Dwight is questionable.  Would there be too much in house fighting to determine the next leader that would enable the group to dismantle the Saviors?)

Bitty:  I was so mad they used all the ammunition!!! As soon as Negan came out i yelled at the TV “shoot him!!”. (This made my husband mad cause he’s on the Negan train) Back to bullets, if they were trying to attract walkers with the glass breaking they should’ve just lit more fires. So stupid. Why prove a point now- shoot to kill. (Because points make for better TV.  It was incomprehensibly stupid, but I am glad that Negan lives because without him, this show would be struggling.  He is the perfect counterpoint to Rick.  Also, Brian is right to be on that train.)

Chris:  I think Rick wanted to show that’s is in control now.  Plus attracting the walkers could drive the saviors from their home, giving Rick and co. an advantage.  As far as bringing a sniper, if they killed Negan in episode 1, what fun would that be?  (The lack of sniper thing drove me nuts.  I don’t want Negan to die, but if I’m Rick, I’m bringing one.  What a terrible beginning to the season that would be!)

Raylene:  All Rick seemed to do this was trying to show that he has access to bullets and they didn’t bring one because Rick is insistent on killing Negan himself.  (There you go.  Rick wants that glory kill.  He wants to be the knight in shining armor.  He wanted it with The Governor, and he didn’t get it.  He did get it with Gareth.  In his mind, he needs this to cement himself, or to do what’s right as a former sheriff.  It’s in his DNA.)

Eric:  It was a GIANT waste of ammo. But it was meant as a show of force towards Negan and his group. They had no intention of killing anyone because they didn’t assault the building.  (Isn’t it a tad baffling to want to show force when you could just have taken out 2-4 of those people up on that platform?  What scares you more: a group of 20-30 people wasting ammo and shooting windows, or that same group gunning 4 of your most influential members of your group?  It’s a weird logical fallacy that I need to stop over thinking.)

Kent:  It was simply a “who’s dick is bigger” moment.  RIck popped some viagra prior to his trip, maybe had a penis pump in the RV, I don’t know.  I hated how this scene went down.  I hate to be that guy, but the comic did it so much better.  This was absolutely frustrating.  At the very least, I was hoping that Negan had snipers.  No snipers!!  This whole thing annoyed me.

  1.  Are you mad at Father Gabriel for stopping to get Gregory?  Can Gregory show his face at the Hilltop ever again?

Briana:  I’m not mad at Gabriel bc that’s who he is. He’s the father and the friend to all. He’s selfless and assumes the rest of the world will show the same compassion he does. It’s never ever true for the poor guy but he’s consistent! I’m assuming at the moment no one will know it’s his fault Gabriel didn’t make it out so unfortunately no one has a reason to not have him show his face around.

Bob:  No, that is who Gabriel is.  I can’t imagine Gregory failing to show up at the Hilltop again. I think Gregory will assume Gabriel dies, which he might.  It could end up an interesting scenario.  I wonder if the show will “forget” about Gabriel for an end of season reveal. (Midseason finale sounds about right.)

Bitty:  Season 8 and I still can’t stand Father Gabriel. He’s a liability. Has been, is now and will be again. Gregory will get killed before he makes it back to Hilltop.

Chris: Not mad at Father Gabriel, it’s in his nature to help.  I think he’s still wanting to atone for what he did to his parishioners at his church.  Gregory can probably still go back to hilltop.  No one will know that he betrayed Gabriel and he is arrogant enough.

Raylene:  I’m not mad that’s just who Father is I think he still carries around the guilt of locking his congregation out of the church. So when he hears a cry for help he just can’t leave them behind.  Gregory can try to show his face at Hilltop but I believe he’ll get the boot

Eric: Gregory is a coward Father Gabriel should have known that.

Kent:  I question how Gabriel’s character has been done.  A lot of you are saying that it’s in his nature, but there have been plenty of times that isn’t necessarily true.  He’s an incredibly complicated character.  He’s got the guilt thing going, but he also tried to get Rick thrown out of Alexandria, he was a sniveling coward.  He did eventually man up and decide to stop being a little bitch.  Last season, Gabe was one of the best done characters who would do work.  I am mad at him.  I love Gregory and you all know this, but he didn’t deserve Gabe’s kindness.  Gabe is Judith’s official babysitter, so not happy, and I’m going to sit here with my arms crossed and pout.

  1.  Out of every character in the show, who do you feel has the biggest axe to grind with Negan?

Briana:  Either Maggie or Daryl. They took Maggie’s remaining family from her and Daryl still blames himself for Glenn plus all the torture stuff they put him through. (Daryl is an interesting choice because he’s gotta deal with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life.  So he’s a really good candidate because although he will blame himself, if it wasn’t for the lineup, none of that happens.)

Bob:  Maggie.  Dwight is absolutely the wrong answer. Dwight chose to go back most likely knowing full well what would occur.  He made that choice and that is on him.  Maggie’s husband and father of her child was murdered by Negan. That’s plenty of axe.

Bitty:  Tough question!! I’d like to say Maggie however my mind goes to Dwight. We haven’t known him long enough but he has a huge axe to to grind with Negan. Dwight has been mentally and physically abused by Negan for all we know, years. Negan abused his wife, raped her in the sense of the deal. Banished him, humiliated him and just keeps him around for a working dog. Dwight has a similar character story now to that of Carol in Season 1.  Battered, abused and ready for revenge. (Woah woah woah, let’s not throw around the word rape.  A deal’s a deal, even if it’s with a dirty dealer.  She chose to be Negan’s wife rather than work.  That is on her.  The same applies to Dwight.  He’s had opportunities, even more so than Sherry, and continues to back the wrong horse, or at least did, and he allowed it.  He’s a fucking Lifetime movie.  The only axe Dwight should grind is with Sherry and himself.)  

Raylene:  I would say Rick he has lost many of his people, his supplies, his dignity(but not his hair) (Ernie Tetrault approves this message.)

Eric:  It’s a toss up between Rick and Maggie. Maggie because of the death of Glenn. Rick because of the mental trauma Negan put him through when he almost made him cut Carl’s hand off.

Kent:  I must admit, I didn’t anticipate or consider anybody choosing Maggie, and I am baffled by all of you.  I expected some Rick and Dwight, maybe a Daryl, but no Maggie.  Obviously, I choose Carl.  Carl has been used as this pawn, or bargaining chip, in this war in some ways.  Negan wanted his hand cut, then he was a second away from bashing in his skull.  Negan has humiliated his father at times.  I’d also say that Ezekiel got no love despite him basically taking on the role of Benjamin’s father.  Where’s his love?

  1.  Why were Carol and Tara hiding from the walkers early in the episode on the overpass?

Briana:  So they wouldn’t distract them and set them off course and then also get themselves eaten.

Bob:  They didn’t want to walkers to stop walking.

Bitty:  They were timing the herd. Also to look at the flowers.

Chris:  They didn’t want to create a distraction.  

Raylene:  Perhaps they didn’t want them to stop or turn back around I really don’t know

Eric:  They were timing how long it took the walkers to move as a group.

Kent:  It still doesn’t make sense to me.  I get the timing aspect, but hiding from them when they can’t just magically get up there, it just struck me as weird.  The walkers are more likely to sense them via scent or sound, not sight.

  1.  Did you enjoy old man Rick’s look?  Save the spoilers for a different blog, please.

Briana:  Ew no! Haha! That hair cut and beard were not doing it for me! Being old doesn’t mean you automatically have to have a flat top and curled under beard lol!  (The flat top was an interesting…..and borderline awful choice, but comedic too.)

Bob:  I guess it was interesting.  His face looked the same, Michonne had no changes… (Black don’t crack, so no surprise there.)

Bitty:  I hated how his beard got so fluffy. Poor choice. (No love for fluffy beards?  Anybody who has a fluffy beard and would like to give Bitty your feedback, please send your comments to Kent@9deuce.com and I will deliver them to her.  You have a voice, use it and let her know that fluffy beard shaming is not acceptable.)

Raylene:  I didn’t like the short hair

Eric:  Yeah

Kent:  Like Eric, I dig it.  It’s a different look.  Quite frankly, I wish it was more of a buzz cut though.  I feel it would have looked more bad ass and a shout out to Shane.

  1.  Did Carl do the right thing in leaving the cans of food or should he have kept them for himself or his group?

Briana:  I think it was the right thing. They didn’t get where they are by being Negan’s group. They got here by being the people who brought in new people and helped others. That’s who they should stay.  (Yeah, you said it better than I did, so well done.)

Bob:  Yup, like Gabriel saving Gregory, this is who Carl is.  His group will be fine, let’s not forget all those MREs they found.  (Let’s never forget the MRE’s or the DRE’s.)

Bitty:  Leaving the cans was different for Carl’s character. I think at the beginning of season 7 he would’ve shot on site and said eff it and never gone back. Now he has a sense of responsibility and leadership. He has almost a hopeful sense about him. (Carl is one of my favorites because I love his character’s arc more than just about anybody else’s, aside from Carol.)

Chris:  Yeah he did the right thing.  He hasn’t lost his humanity.  (Has Rick lost his humanity do you think?)

Raylene:  Yeah I think he did the right thing now that they are not giving half the stuff to Negan.  (Not losing half of their stuff really does help.)

Eric:  Yeah I guess, what’s a few cans of food when food is scarce  (Yeah, I think at this point, Alexandria has some to spare in the short term, and better to make an ally than an enemy.)

Kent:  I liked the gesture.  Way back in season 4 I think (maybe late 3) when Carl was protecting Herschel and shot that one kid from Woodbury, and that’s who Carl was then.  Carl has now had a chance to see various types of leaders and he is starting to come into his own.  Rick has to be trigger happy in his mind because he doesn’t want to get fooled again. Carl knows the food situation and he knows at some point, there has to be something more, some kindness or whatever or what’s the point for him and Judith.

  1.  Were you disappointed at the lack of Scavengers (Jadis’ group) considering how last season left things?

Briana:  Nah. They served a purpose and that purpose is over as far as I’m concerned. No sleep lost over them.  (The group debuted in episode #92, so I have to love them.)

Bob:  No, I don’t mind the human planet of the apes characters from being missing from anything!  (This is all I have)

Bitty:  I didn’t miss the Scavengers. However I would’ve liked to see the Oceanside women come out to defend the honor of their lost men and boys. (I feel that you intentionally brought up Oceanside just to get a rise out of me.  Consider me risen.  Wait, that doesn’t sound right.  Aroused?  No, that’s not it either.  Hmmm, job well done.)

Chris: I wasn’t disappointed.  I think there will be a few episode arc where Rick and co. go after them.  It will be a good way to split the season up a little. (They gotta split things up because hardly anybody got any shine in this episode really.)

Raylene:  I think we will see them soon they are still working with Negan I imagine

Eric:  it’s a big world. maybe they will show up again.  (They will be back.  I need more Pollyanna on my screen.  Also, she’s in a film on NetFlix called The Blood Lands.  I don’t recommend it.  Very disappointed.)

Kent:  Apparently I liked this group more than others.  Yeah, I was pissed because I was hoping that they would surround Rick’s group or be set up as snipers so Negan could walk out as care free.  I felt like they were the missing element to that entire showdown.  

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Had you ever heard Weird Al’s “Another One Rides The Bus” prior to this episode?

Briana:  Probably but if so it was when I was a little kid so I don’t remember.

Bob:  yes.

Bitty:  No

Chris:  Yep.  Weird Al 4 life!

Raylene: Yes

Eric:  yes. Weird Al is the best.

Kent:  Well I am happy to see that most of you have at the very least.  If you are having a bad day, just put on some Weird Al and it makes things slightly better.

  1.  For episode #100, did this feel right, or did you expect something bigger or a big death of some sort?

Briana:  I didn’t even realize it was episode 100 so yes it should have been bigger!  (Right?  It didn’t feel like a big event to me.)

Bob:  I was definitely expecting bigger and better.  This would be an easy episode to simply stop watching the show.  Nothing is really compelling.  (Nothing really compelling.  For a season opener and #100, it was somewhat of a dud.  Not a bad episode, but compared to other season openers, say 2, 3, 5, and 7, this was bland.)

Bitty:  I liked all the Easter Eggs to previous episodes. I liked the speed and seeing all of the core cast in action. I liked the shielded cars. I liked seeing the different ways of killing the guards at the outposts. Everyone was involved in someway. And I loved…. “THE HILLTOP STANDS WITH MAGGIE!!!” (Okay, in all fairness, Carol seeing the flower made me happy.  I miss Lizzie a lot.  That girl was awesome.)

Chris:  I guess I’m in the minority but I loved it.  It seems like everyone expects something “big” in every episode.  The show has never really been like that.  All out war has started, and Gabriel is in big trouble.  Can’t wait to see what happens next week.  (Also loved all the scenes that payed homage to season 1.)  (The episode for me is an average TWD episode, it wasn’t bad at all, minus the ammunition thing, but the show has spoiled us with great premieres, and this didn’t have that same vibe, at least for me.)

Raylene:  I felt it was lackluster  I was expecting a few major deaths or plot twists (M Night Sham is disappointed at the lack of tweets.)

Eric:  Episode did move slower than I would have liked. But you can’t blow your wad right out of the box. Where are they gonna go if they kill Negan in the first episode.  (Negan isn’t going to die, same as Rick or Carl aren’t going to die.  It hurts the product in some capacity that certain characters are put in situations that we know they will overcome.  The show is at it’s best when expendable characters are put in bad situations.)

Kent:  Season 2 premiere gave us the highway herd, Sophia going missing, and Otis shooting Carl.  Season 3 premier gave us that amazing first scene where you see how the group has become a great machine in how they scavenge and find the prison.  Season 5 premiere gave us the escape from Terminus and Carol cementing herself as the baddest lady on TV.  Season 7 premiere was the infamous lineup.  This premiere doesn’t top any of those, so yeah, i was a little let down.  Then you add the fact that it was #100 and, well you expect more.  To take it one step further, they had this set up in the comics and it results in 2 deaths, so knowing that put a damper on this for me.

Final Thoughts

Bitty:  I would like the action to continue. I would like to see Negan on the ground at Maggie’s feet and I’d like to see Rosita die.

Raylene:  I am hoping to see the Whispers possibly the season finale

Eric:  I am interested to see where this season goes. The story line of the kingdom and Rick.  Hopefully it doesn’t suck.

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The Walking Dead 9 Deuce: S:7 Ep:16 – All Out War Begins Edition

I know, I know.  This isn’t April.  We’re in October and I am finally posting this.  What gives?  The truth of the matter is simple.  I gave a little extra time for people to finish this and then I forgot to post it.  By the time I remembered, it was like 3 or 4 weeks after the episode aired, and it felt odd to do it.  So I held onto this, in shame because it’s embarrassing to have such a terrible memory.  Bob even asked me about it in the spring or summer, and the decision was made to hold off until TWD returned, so here we are, Sunday October 22, 2017.  I’m looking forward to this season, and I hope to get most of my old group back along with some new people, if anybody wants to join in.  Thank you for reading, and please share this because I need hits.  Seriously, I need hits.

In case you aren’t familiar with this blog, I ask 9 questions that are episode specific and then 2 bonus ones that can be anything Walking Dead related.  Please note all messages in bold are written by me.

 

  1.  When you think about the season finale episode, what is the happiest moment for you?

Bob:  I am not going to deny it.  The tiger jumping in when we thought Carl’s head was about to be bashed in.  They did a good job of making me forget all about HT and TK.  Kudos for the pleasant shock.  (It was like a superhero just diving in for the save.  It was very comic book style save, which was needed.)

Bitty: Happiest moment for me was the beginning of the battle. Negan’s lines and the entrance of Ezekiel.  (Ezekiel coming in, just gets teh adrenaline pumping every time I watch this.)

Kristi:  Zombie Sasha!!!!! I was hoping she would be the first walker to have some sort of memory and only attack Negan’s crew.  (I think the only time that they really hinted towards a possible memory would be Merle seeing Daryl.  I think it was just the way that it was filmed.  If you think back to season 1 and how Dr Jenner explained things, they shouldn’t have any memory…in theory.)

Chris:  My happiest moment was Rick’s response to Negan when he was going to kill Carl.  He wasn’t going to be afraid of Negan anymore.  (Exactly.  It was the perfect arc from the opening episode with the lineup to that moment.  It was very well done.)

Kent:  OK, I had 2.  For sheer happiness, Carl not getting killed.  I will offer a different perspective.  My other choice is when the explosion didn’t go off.  Think about how that moment changed the whole episode and added a crazy amount of layer.  Anything that keeps us guessing as viewers is happiness for me.

 

  1.  What was the biggest “uh oh” moment for you in this week’s episode?  Whether it was sad, or surprising, pretty much not a happy moment candidate.

Bob:  When Rosita’s bomb did not trigger.  I went from thinking​, gee that’s embarrassing to ohhhh nooooo!  (Rick’s face summed up everybody’s feelings in that moment.)

Bitty:  Biggest uh oh moment would have been the opening sequence. Sasha in the dark, sweating, mumbling and moving.  (Yeah, closed dark spaces are terrifying, yet it was done so well.)

Kristi:  When the Scavengers turned the guns on The Alexandrians. I was not expecting that!  (Yeah, I don’t recall anybody speculating that one.  It was a really solid twist.)

Chris:  When Jadis pulled a gun on Rick.  The bomb not going off was bad, but the garbage group turning could have been the final nail in the coffin. (The doomsday snowball just got bigger and bigger by the second.)

Kent:  Negan getting that close to Carl and needing to prove a point.  Every moment above me is a good answer.  

 

  1.  Do you think that Negan believes Eugene’s explanation for Sasha’s death?

Bob:  Not at all.  I don’t believe Negan knows what to think.  He can’t believe Eugene had the fortitude to try anything against him, so he is left in a quandary.  (Eugene is actually forcing Negan’s hand, which is an interesting turn of events.)

Bitty:  No way. Negan doesn’t want to believe that Eugene would lie to him because he is useful to Negan.

Kristi:  Not even a little bit  

Chris:  No, but he also doesn’t have a good explanation for it.  I give bonus points to Eugene for making it sound convincing.  (The dude can think on his feet.  I am looking forward to Eugene’s arc in season 8.  I think it will be the best single person’s arc this coming season.)

Kent:  Doubt it, but I guess it’s not entirely implausible.  Negan has a lot of shit on his mind.  If this was his only thing to dwell on, I think things would be different.  Of course, Negan won’t say anything until Eugene teaches them how to make bullets.  Why hasn’t that process begun?  That is the whole reason that Eugene is there.  Seriously.

 

  1.  Which betrayal was worse: The Scavengers or Eugene’s in the eyes of Rick?

Bob:  The Scavengers.  It was 9 times worse than 2 Eugene betrayals.  (Well, that’s a bonus point.  You picked a great spot for it.)  The tactical loss of half your forces (more…) and then to have them against you… That’s really terrible and would make many lose heart.

Bitty:  The betrayal of the Scavengers was way worse in the eyes of Rick. This is as more than half the army and as Rick has learned people grow and change and move on.

Kristi:  Eugene, he was part of Rick’s team. After hearing the, I will lay with him comment from the Garbage chic, I don’t think he fully trusted them.

Chris:  The Scavengers.  I think he was disappointed in Eugene, but they all know he’s a coward.  When Eugene said “I am Negan” Rick looked less shocked and more like a disappointed parent.  (Haha, he did have that “Now son, your mother and I are very disappointed in you.  Go to your room and think about what you have done” look going for him.)

Kent:  The Scavengers was worse.  The thing with Eugene is like this thing that Rick knows how to solve 5 moves down the road.  Losing the Scavengers just ruined all their hard work. Losing those guns was crippling.  Rick’s group never properly utilized Eugene so it’s just not that big of a deal in this moment.

 

  1.  Out of all of the characters that are still alive, which one do you think has come close to death the most amount of times since the Zombie Apocalypse started?  Lots of options to choose from, and Rick may not be the right choice, so think on it.

Bob:  Very tough here.  Frankly, the person needs screentime for knowns threats on their life. I want to pick Carl in the worst way.  Then there is Daryl and Morgan.  Carl it is.  Two gun shots, multiple Negan encounters and some zombie contact.  I found myself feeling like Carl was going to die much more often than Morgan.  Daryl is a close second for me.

Bitty: Carl wins for me as coming close to death at the hands of a HUMANS.   (At the hands of human, I think you are correct.)

Kristi:  Carl. I’m sorry but he is not a smart kid. Badass, maybe, but his lack of common sense would have gotten him killed long ago.  (What’s more important in this world, being smart or bad ass?  You still want to think smart, but bad ass gets you far at the very least.)

Chris:  I want to pick Carl, but Rick has “almost” been killed on many occasions.  I’m pretty sure Rick has almost died every season, while Carl was pretty safe in season 1.  Season 2 he did almost die, but Rick was in trouble at least 3 times.  Carl is catching up though….

Kent:  Had I included dead people, I wonder if anybody would have chosen Glenn.  This is all sheer speculation.  Take somebody like Negan who appears to only like melee weapons in a world in which guns had to have been pointed at him numerous times.  On his rise to power, other people had to have tried taking him out.  Daryl has been in some trouble, but I would say Morgan had it tougher.  We have no idea how many close calls Carol had when Rick exiled her.  At the end of the day, we do know the vast majority of things that have happened to Rick and Carl.  Carl got the Otis bullet, the Ron bullet, was damn close to getting butt raped by one of Joe’s claimers, almost got got by the walker that killed Dale in season 2, and he wandered the prison quite a bit on his own accord.  Then along comes Negan.  Rick has been injured more, has been in close proximity to walkers far more frequently than Carl.  If we are to believe that walkers were a threat the first 5 season minimum, I gotta say Rick.

 

  1.  Aside from Sasha, which one character’s life did you fear for most?  Basically, who did you think was going to get killed, but managed to stay alive?  

Bob:  Carl.  I was sure he was dead in that scene with his father and Negan.

Bitty: I was thinking we would lose Ezekiel so Carol would rise to the top. Or even Morgan. I was worried he’d go rogue in battle and lose everything.   (I keep waiting for Morgan to die so I can be really pissed off, but he keeps on keeping on.  I’m going to say that he dies this season in a bit of reverse psychology.)

Kristi:  That crazy head scavenger chic, I don’t remember names. I was really looking forward to her demise.  (I love Polly, the actress.  I think her time is up in season 8.)

Chris:  Honestly, I can’t think of anyone.  I didn’t think Carl was going to die.  They did a good job of teasing Michonne, but it’s not her time yet.  (Do you think Michonne makes it to the end of the series?  I am not so sure after what happened in the comics, and to any readers, just to let you know, Michonne is still alive in the comics, so that is not a spoiler.)

Kent:  If you have read any of my blogs, you know the answer.  So Tara aside, I am going to go with Morgan.  I’m really surprised that they didn’t kill a major character here.  If you think that is a slight to Sasha, you’re damn right it is.  Really, has she been that great of a character?  I liked her with Bob, that was the high point for her.  

 

  1.  This episode had a lot of points in which they dug up past memories (Abraham, Glenn, the original lineup with Rick and Carl, etc).  What memories from the past came up most prominent for you?

Bob:  All of Abraham’s witty remarks from the past. I discovered I really missed him on the show.  It was really nice to see him…. (Abe was that perfect role where he was most effective having funny one liners without taking away anybody’s else’s shine.)

Bitty: The speech at the end by Maggie made me miss Glenn and Dale.  (I still don’t miss Glenn.  The dumpster thing ruined it for me unfortunately.  I did like Dale because he was the polar opposite character who also had valid points, even if I disagreed with him.)

Kristi:  At the end when Maggie was talking about their journey. The mention of the farm reminded me of Hershel. It pulled at my heart strings a bit.  (Honestly, if I could bring back any characters, Herschel would be right there with Abe, Merle, Tyrese, and T Dog.)

Chris:  The end with Maggie talking about Glenn.  It was very powerful and a fitting way to end the season.  (The only thing I didn’t necessarily like about it, was the placement of it after so much momentum.  It was that slow moment, that was needed, but it changed the mood of an exciting episode.)

Kent:  Abe, obviously Abe.  I do not find myself missing Glenn in the least bit, and if Maggie could just go away, even better.  Abe was such a huge loss on this show and if I had asked who would have made this season better by being alive, you know damn well the answer would have been Abe.  Why?  Because he’s funny and charming.  Glenn would have continued his downward spiral into boredom. I thought that I would be the only one to mention Herschel, but Kristi proved me wrong.  I miss that dude so much.  I would trade anybody on this show for Abe and Herschel aside from Carl, Eugene, Rick, Morgan, Carol, and Negan.  Yes, I would even put Simon and Gregory up for grabs to get Herschel and Abe back, or even Merle.

 

  1.  Realistically, are you at all disappointed that more characters didn’t die during this episode?  If so, who?  Basically, this is where I make fun of Tara.

Bob:  I think the season should have just been Tarasode Part Deux. Or Deuce. And have her live, Sasha, Rosita and Maggie die.  Why not? We aren’t communists, that’s why not.  To answer your question I think a lot of red shirts died this episode.  Why didn’t Aaron’s boyfriend die? But I am happy with a lot of main characters not dying on the show at this point.  (I am guaranteeing that Aaron’s boyfriend, Eric, dies this week, mainly because his name is Eric.  Rosita has at least one more season in her, and Maggie is in the same vein as Rich, Carl and Eugene as untouchable.)  I like that they tried adding value to Rosita’s character.)

Bitty:  I’m disappointed that Dwight didn’t get killed and I thought it would’ve been great to have Rosita by the mouth of Sasha.  (You’re going to like Dwight some day.  Just accept it.  Just like you have to accept that David Ortiz was on PED’s and cheated.)

Kristi:  Yes, I expected more to die. I had a pretty good feeling that Sasha was out from the beginning. I was, absolutely, expecting another more devastating death. Sasha was sad but she wasn]t as close to everyone so I don’t think it will effect the group.  (It felt like we needed one more big death, especially with how Sasha’s was foretold and how she was never truly a big character.)

Chris:  Not really.  Main characters don’t always have to die.  Besides, I have a feeling plenty will die next season (please let Gregory go first!!!)  (Booo Chris boooo.  Gregory is so great, haha.  He’s going to die this season, no doubt.)

Kent:  Of course I am.  We have too many people that we need to give time to every season and it dillutes the product a bit in my opinion. Kill off Eric to make Aaron more interesting.  Kill off Tara to make me happy.  Kill off Daryl to give us a big death at the end.  Really, Daryl has become kind of bland.  I need Enid to have a bigger role moving forward.  I need Kent to stay alive.  They killed too many of Ezekiel’s people, leaving only Jerry as a big hit to the actual fans.  They need to provide more people on the Hilltop for us to care about before they die.  This is why more death won’t hurt because one of the best things about TWD is how they create and give stories about characters.  Hell, even Denise had a good story in such a limited time frame, or Olivia.  In order to provide us with more of these stories, some heads need to roll.  Starting with Tara.

 

  1.  Last week, I asked you all if you felt that this would end on a high note or a low note.  Now that you have seen it, do you feel that it ended on a high or low note?  I know some of you want to be like “Welll, this was kinda sad, but this got me pretty psyched” to which I will write to you and tell you just choose which one you felt was more prevalent.  

Bob:  I said a low note with a crescendo.  So I feel I was right.  Sasha died, Eugene is Negan, Scavengers are haters.  Rick restated his promise. (We don’t get the word crescendo enough in this blog.  I am putting in an order for 15% more crescendo this coming season.)

Bitty:  I stand by what I said last week. Epic battle scenes, some characters we lose but in the end leaving us hopeful for the new season. (So you feel hopeful?  Sucker!)

Kristi:  High note, Did you see the Tiger!!! That was it for me. I ended the episode feeling empowered for the group.  (Haha, I look forward to any animal related comments from you in any blog that can integrate them.)

Chris:  A high note for sure.  They had the Saviors reeling for the first time.  It’s going to be an epic battle.  (Okay, so knowing what is going to happen due to common sense and the comic notwithstanding, I didn’t view it as the Saviors reeling.  They got even more weapons now.  But they did retreat to recoup, so I can see that perspective.  I am excited either way.)

Kent:  I gotta say low note.  Maybe that is the eternal optimist in me that is a mute.  They had their biggest army turn on them and take the guns.  How is that not a low note?  Because the 3 heads of the communities are together? This was definitely some Empire Strikes Back stuff right here.  If you don’t fully get that whole reference, I pity you and your choices in movies throughout your entire life.  The highs were totally outweighed by the lows.  Carl almost got got, aiight?  That almost happened.  Eugene is back in black.    Maggie’s hair still looks awful.  Seriously, I can’t be the only person that thinks this.

 

Bonus Deuce

  1.  Looking back on season 7 in totality, do you consider it a good, bad, or neutral season compared to previous seasons?

Bob:  Neutral.  Thanks for not making me pick good or bad. (Anytime Hoss, except for those times when I only offer 2 options like a jerk.)  Why is Negan not being someone we love to hate?  Instead it’s like “oh he has a small penis.”. He is a coward and pulls the South Park move of having certain people in front to die. (Operation Human Shield, and I shall not finish the rest of that particular reference, haha.)

Bitty: Season 7 was up and down for me. The most intense episode I ever watched was the Lucille episode but I found myself missing Carol  a lot. I also missed seeing Rick’s group on the move with a purpose.  (I like a purpose as well.  You nailed it.  Carol is my favorite female on TV, so I always want more of her.)

Kristi:  Bad, I had high hopes for this season. In my opinion, there were 3 episodes that were decent. The first, last, and the one one that Morgan killed for the first time again. The rest could have been summed up much quicker to give more time for some walker killing. I’m ready to go back to fighting those ugly bastards.  (You may struggle a bit in season 8, or maybe not, as I know you don’t like Gregory.  With that being said, season 9 is so going to be for you.)

Chris:  It was ok.  I think most people wanted more action, especially after the first episode.  They did a great job laying the groundwork for all out war.  (This was the necessary evil for fans to truly enjoy this upcoming season, you are so right.)

Kent:  It was better than 5 & 6 in a lot of ways, at least for me.  Negan really made stuff interesting again.  With such a huge group of characters to follow, I do feel that it hurt viewers on a week to week scale, but to binge watch it, they may not have been as bothered.  It is probably the 4th or 5th best season out of the 7.  I’m more pro than con.  That opening episode was one of the single most memorable episodes of anything on TV ever.  That has to count for something.

 

  1.  What one question do you hope gets answered at some point during season 8?

Bob:  is Negan going to get it in a satisfying manner or will it be unfortunate happenstance?  (Neither, he’s going to live on, he’s going to survive, and I’m going to quote Bill Pullman.)

Bitty:  Where the hell is Gregory???  (I hope that is answered in the opening scene of season 8.)

Kristi:  I am ready to see what Eugene has up his sleeve. I’m curious to see if he and Dwight have joined up to go against Negan.  (Uhmmmm, you may like this season after all…..Yeah)

Chris:  What is Eugene really up to?  (He is on the verge of having his best season yet…I hope.  Gotta respect the hair game.)

Kent:  I’m curious how a potential time skip occurs in the show, if it even happens.  This is strictly based on the comics, so it may not happen.  

 

Final Thoughts

Bob:  I give answers with stunning clarity of thought because I use my wife’s product line of all natural Posh Products.  I use the Hunka Chunk soap.  https://www.perfectlyposh.com/ShanaDugan

(I use Posh quite a bit, and although some stuff is pricey, I can say that their lotions don’t have that greasy feeling, and their chunk bars are solid.  Also, those healing sticks are great for parents, or so I have heard.  I highly recommend trying it out and blame me if you are unsatisfied.) 

Bitty:  As you all know by now I don’t read the comics so I love living in the world of not knowing what will happen next and who certain characters are and where they have been. I find it entertaining to look at Wiki Character profiles and think about them as a person. I also record and watch Talking Dead. This past season I found myself fast forwarding most of the episodes to get to the sneak peak.  (Talking Dead has had some very weak episode, BUT the Eugene and Lil Jon episode was the best episode I think.  So funny.  Bring them back, please!  More Yvette too!)

Kent:  I am grateful for everybody contributing throughout the years.  I am excited for the next season.  I know that this show is a popular punching bag, and I get it.  The thing is that most shows are the same old shit with a few twists and turns.  The fact that people are so stupid to not understand that concept is absolutely hilarious.  Same goes for Game of Thrones, The Office, Sons of Anarchy, The Sopranos, MASH, The Cosby Show, Married With Children, and so on.  This isn’t a new concept, so to those people, go watch something else and find some peace with it so I can enjoy my show.  Also, if you really think that Negan is dying in season 8, just know that you are wrong.

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